Welcome Loyola

[uniftw]

Yes let's add Kansas also. No need to be realistic.

Your choices would be- Denver,ORU,UMKC nobody else around that would be interested. I'd pick Denver by far.

Maybe there ain't a HR choice out there. ORU is maybe a ground rule double with a bad throw to the cutoff man getting you at third with an error. Okay? Loyola is sort of like reaching first via a dropped third strike.

for as concerned as you are about baseball, your lack of understanding of how/why a ground rule double happens I'd concerning.

then again, you are the one who said an invite to cusa was sitting on your ads desk.

id blame your ad if your r unhappy with you being in the same conference as Loyola..... dipwad

[BirdFan 4Life]

Another dude on their board says that: "We will make you both proud and confounded that you put us in the MVC."

I am definitely feeling confounded. And I love the ringing endorsement.

The way you cherry pick quotes is just amazing to me. The poster was talking about adding Loyola confounding teams like Bradley and ISU because he sees them eventually beating us and having good/competitive rivalry games. The same poster praises Arch Madness and can't wait for the "wild ride" being able to play ISU and BU, and getting the likes of WSU, UNI, and others at home.

Sorry your Mo State Bears lost 2 of 3 last weekend at Duffy Bass Field. Then again you probably don't follow Mo State close enough to know that even occurred. Too busy wanting to hear yourself talk and not reading people's thoughts or ideas.

[Mikovio]

If you buy into the idea that money is the quickest way to build a sustained winner (and you should), Loyola may be the best option. The money is there. All it takes is a conscious decision to spend it on athletics, and invest in top notch facilities and attracting the most qualified coaches. The league needs more Wichitas and Bradleys, who poach coaches of the year from fellow mid majors, and Loyola can be that. If their administration is pledging to step up, they can reach a very high ceiling.

Mens basketball coaches salaries
Creighton $1.35M
Wichita $900k (incentives pushing to $1.5m)
Bradley $700k (incentives pushing to $1m)
UNI $500k
ISU Red $375k
SIU $300k (but were paying Lowery $750k IIRC)
Drake $274k
MSU $241k
ISU Blue $219k
Evansville $180k


Endowment of candidates, salary of head coaches
Denver $380m; $300k (in 2008; probably significantly higher now)
Loyola $385m; salary undisclosed (but I can't imagine it's more than $300k)
UIC $181m; $300k salary
Valpo $141m; salary undisclosed (but they gave Drew a contract extension and he's sticking around so it must be significant)
Belmont $76m; $728k salary
UMKC $1.2b (system-wide so misleading); $250k salary

[rlh04d]

If you buy into the idea that money is the quickest way to build a sustained winner (and you should), Loyola may be the best option. The money is there. All it takes is a conscious decision to spend it on athletics, and invest in top notch facilities and attracting the most qualified coaches. The league needs more Wichitas and Bradleys, who poach coaches of the year from fellow mid majors, and Loyola can be that. If their administration is pledging to step up, they can reach a very high ceiling.

I mentioned this on WSU's board, but to put it here as well:

I think Loyola might be a very good team in 10 years. I think long-term they have more resources and a higher ceiling than any team in the Valley not named WSU (or Creighton ... I guess they're still here for now?). Long-term they will turn out to be a good add. But being good in 10 years doesn't mean they're not going to suck for the next nine, and they are. So for the next nine years I expect them to be a major drain on our conference that impacts our ability to get at-large bids.

If you want to look at this as a 10-to-20 year decision, as I'm sure the Valley is, I don't really have a problem with it, other than the obvious problem with having four teams in Illinois as we contract further and further into I states. But I'm not worried about what the Valley's going to look like in ten years. I care about this hurting the Valley's basketball profile for the next decade.

Which is the same problem I always have with the Valley. I want WSU to be a national power. The Valley just wants to exist forever, making safe moves that protect stability, lower travel costs, and potentially use the Valley's ever-decreasing standing to help programs be important decades from now. I'm not saying the Valley's goals are wrong, I'm saying they don't fit WSU's at ALL.

[rlh04d]

Some people think that their programs are better than they are.

Some people are happy with their program being a part of the Illinois Valley Conference paying to broadcast their games on public access television in Chicago, but it's okay because travel costs are really low and at least the alumni in Chicago can go to games a few times a year.

Keep Patting yourself on the back. You are very degrading to pretty much any idea that isn't yours. You and others are very rude and condescending to other posters just stating an opinion.

You're more than welcome to your opinion. I'm more than welcome to disagree with your opinion. That's what creates this whole "back-and-forth exchange of opinions and dialogue" that generally defines how a message board works.

If all you want is to state an opinion without having it questioned, try Facebook.

[IllinoisState]

Some people are happy with their program being a part of the Illinois Valley Conference paying to broadcast their games on public access television in Chicago, but it's okay because travel costs are really low and at least the alumni in Chicago can go to games a few times a year.

Keep Patting yourself on the back. You are very degrading to pretty much any idea that isn't yours. You and others are very rude and condescending to other posters just stating an opinion.

You're more than welcome to your opinion. I'm more than welcome to disagree with your opinion. That's what creates this whole "back-and-forth exchange of opinions and dialogue" that generally defines how a message board works.

If all you want is to state an opinion without having it questioned, try Facebook.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You don't need to be rude or condescending to disagree.

[Western4Life]

I have said before that endowments are like actually knowing everyone's penis size for the collegiate world. Seems in this case people better keep Loyola away from their precious because they will now have the biggest endowment in the conference and deciding to join the conference shows they are about to start throwing that money around. Don't start making ridiculous comments when the Chicago market is added, the school isn't broke (unlike over half the conference), and is in the heart of the MVC footprint.

Also, calling ORU a better candidate than Loyola is deplorable. Is there a part in your baseball scenario when virgins start thumping bibles for the Hobby Lobby express because that will happen with ORU. I don't mind some religious institutions but lets not go the way of a televangelist. Seriously... I would take Oklahoma City University long before ORU for a WSU minded addition. Please stop the televangelist angle.

Belmont and Denver are the best two out there. Hope they join with Loyola to make 12. Doubtful but we will see.

[rlh04d]

You know who else it is great for? Fred VanVleet and his family and friends! As a Shocker fan, you should be supportive of Fred VanVleet in this circumstance. As a Rockford, Illinois native, another game in his home state would allow his family and friends to attend one more game than they otherwise would be able to. It doesn't seem like this is going to happen to me because I tend to think we will stick with 10 and just add Loyola, but if the league expands to 12 and includes Valpo and UIC as well, that would be three more games total that a star player of yours for three more years to come would have a strong fan base at.

Fred Van Vleet didn't go to Wichita State so he could play in front of all of his friends and relatives. If he wanted to do that, he would have joined one of the seven Illinois schools in this conference.

So no, this is not great for FVV. He wants national success, not to be piddling his time away in half empty Illinois arenas.

[DUBulldog]

If you buy into the idea that money is the quickest way to build a sustained winner (and you should), Loyola may be the best option. The money is there. All it takes is a conscious decision to spend it on athletics, and invest in top notch facilities and attracting the most qualified coaches. The league needs more Wichitas and Bradleys, who poach coaches of the year from fellow mid majors, and Loyola can be that. If their administration is pledging to step up, they can reach a very high ceiling.

Mens basketball coaches salaries
Creighton $1.35M
Wichita $900k (incentives pushing to $1.5m)
Bradley $700k (incentives pushing to $1m)
UNI $500k
ISU Red $375k
SIU $300k (but were paying Lowery $750k IIRC)
Drake $274k
MSU $241k
ISU Blue $219k
Evansville $180k

I know these figures are the most recent available, but Drake is paying the new coach somewhere in the $400,000-500,000 range.

[pafan]

Just because I haven't seen this posted here, Loyola will join July 1st 2013 according to the Chicago Tribune.