Valley leaving St Louis????

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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby AndShock » May 29th, 2013, 11:02 pm

unipanther99 wrote:I suppose that's a nice nod to Mizzou, Arkansas, and Tennessee. And it shouldn't interfere with the MVC as we are the week before.


It'll make St. Louis and Scottrade care a lot less about the Valley.
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Postby rlh04d » May 29th, 2013, 11:08 pm

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unipanther99 wrote:I suppose that's a nice nod to Mizzou, Arkansas, and Tennessee. And it shouldn't interfere with the MVC as we are the week before.


It'll make St. Louis and Scottrade care a lot less about the Valley.

The Valley makes St. Louis and Scottrade care a lot less about the Valley.

I can't imagine they're looking forward to an Arch Madness minus Creighton fans buying tickets.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby IllinoisState » May 30th, 2013, 2:20 am

unipanther99 wrote:I suppose that's a nice nod to Mizzou, Arkansas, and Tennessee. And it shouldn't interfere with the MVC as we are the week before.


And Vanderbilt if you're going that route.

Other than Missouri I don't see it benefiting any team. The MVC schools pretty much circle St. Louis so it makes sense. Playing a few games there a year doesn't do much for recruiting, they are already a big name. If I were the SEC I would want Atlanta.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby achrist70 » May 30th, 2013, 7:13 am

Maybe it's just me but I think when a conference plays its conference tournament at more than 1 maybe 2 sites it loses its prestige as a tournament.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby saluki762 » May 30th, 2013, 9:37 am

achrist70 wrote:Maybe it's just me but I think when a conference plays its conference tournament at more than 1 maybe 2 sites it loses its prestige as a tournament.

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If it was a annual rotation between STL and Kansas City, I could see the move. Open bidding and a multi-city rotation of sites diminishes what has been built.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby 2livewu » May 30th, 2013, 11:14 am

If it's going to stay in St Louis (and didn't the tourney lose it's major sponsorship?) the prepare for half filled games without Creighton. And if there is money to be distributed to the institutions, then WSU needs to be granted a larger share of those profits, as Creighton should have over the years but they're gone so eff them.

However, they'll be no change because the other nine schools care about being even and limiting expenses for the poor schools.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby DoubleJayAlum » May 30th, 2013, 11:43 am

Boy, that didn't take very long. The first year that Creighton won't participate and the arena is looking for another event around the same time period. After bringing in excess of 6,000 last year and dwarfing the ticket sales of all of the other MVC schools combined sans WSU, it is obvious that the arena is concerned about the financial hit it will take without Creighton.

achrist70 wrote:Maybe it's just me but I think when a conference plays its conference tournament at more than 1 maybe 2 sites it loses its prestige as a tournament.


Prestige is tied to the quality of the participants, not the location. Remember that this event takes place in St Louis, not Maui, Las Vegas or the Bahamas.

One wonders whether STL will put together such a competitive bid when it comes to renewing the contract knowing there is less revenue to be gained or whether they will attempt to squeeze the MVC. Some of the other MVC schools better ratchet up some ticket sales or the event won't be as appealing to hosts/sponsors as it was previously.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby rlh04d » May 30th, 2013, 12:05 pm

It's only a matter of time before the tournament is in Chicago, regardless. The Illinois Valley Conference is well underway.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » May 30th, 2013, 12:27 pm

IllinoisState wrote:
unipanther99 wrote:I suppose that's a nice nod to Mizzou, Arkansas, and Tennessee. And it shouldn't interfere with the MVC as we are the week before.


And Vanderbilt if you're going that route.

Other than Missouri I don't see it benefiting any team. The MVC schools pretty much circle St. Louis so it makes sense. Playing a few games there a year doesn't do much for recruiting, they are already a big name. If I were the SEC I would want Atlanta.


The SEC Tournament has not done well in locations like New Orleans or Atlanta. Nashville has been okay. The issue is that basketball is not as big of a deal as college baseball is at many SEC locales. People in Missouri tend to like basketball so the SEC thought they would give them a trial. Won't do any worse than it has in New Orleans/Atlanta.

This is the sign that it is time to move the Valley tournament however. The whole Arch Madness thing was getting tired. It is funny to see Creighton fans here flapping their gums about how great their fans are, etc. I am actually more inclined to go to St. Louis to watch the tournament next spring knowing that I won't have to bump into them. Sundecker's might actually be populated by more attractive ladies that weekend.
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Re: Valley leaving St Louis????

Postby valleychamp » May 30th, 2013, 1:03 pm

The entire world revolves around Creighton. So much so, that the even the SEC bases all of their major conference decisions on the actions of the mighty BJ's.
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