Biggest Suprise in MVC Next Year

[rlh04d]

I have no reason to doubt our coaching staff and I don't mind taking a risk with a talented player. Could blow up on us or it could pay off. If it takes two years for him to play for us like I keep reading, we'll have even more history on the guy. Like you said, we'll see...

You have no reason to doubt your coaching staff? Taking a team predicted to finish second in the Valley and which most IlSU fans thought was the best team in the conference and finishing 6th (and one loss away from 9th) isn't a reason to doubt them?

You can personally not doubt them ... but there is certainly a reason to doubt your staff. I think it'd be tougher to come up with a reason not to doubt them.

[Aargh]

What is this absolute nonsense about "trusting the coaching staff" in regards to Hawkins? Your coaching staff has done absolutely nothing to to show any faith, confidence, or ANYTHING about Hawkins.

Hawkins is a non-qualifier. He may have never graduated from HS. He was still taking Ohio's mandatory test for graduating HS in July after he should have graduated. It's not known if he ever passed that test. He was kicked out of his prep school. He had quite a list of schools he wanted to visit that weren't interested in having him visit.

The IlSU coaching staff convinced Hawkins to enroll at IlSU and try to get past the NCAA clearinghouse. His chances of doing that are REALLY slim. If he does make it as a partial qualifier - or whatever the term is now - he has to continue paying his own way for another year.

So, if Hawkins gets past the clearinghouse (chances are slim), IlSU gets a great player. If he doesn't, IlSU says "Thanks for dropping $10K in tuition here. Bye."

This is not "showing trust in a recruit". This is convincing a guy with about 0 chance of ever seeing a D1 basketball court (unless he goes the JuCo route) to pay tuition at IlSU by telling him he'll get a scholarship, but probably not explaining the details very well of what that would require.

The only confidence the IlSU coaching staff has shown in Hawkins is confidence that he's not real bright and isn't going to figure out that he's paying IlSU for an almost 0% chance of playing 3 years of D1 ball instead of 2 if he went the JuCo route.

[Redbird Recon]

Teddy couldn't enroll at ISU without a high school diploma or GED equivalent.
I'm hearing his chance of clearing the NCAA is "50/50" at this point.
Abundance of grey area with the new NCAA eligibility standards.
It isn't nearly as black and white as Aargh explains above.
Also sounds like HCGM has no say in the matter.
And with this, I'm surely dooming T-Hawk.

[mvcfan]

Also sounds like HCGM has no say in the matter.
And with this, I'm surely dooming T-Hawk.

After thinking about this, whatever Hawkins situation is, as long as it's been since he signed the LOL, I don't see how, anyone else but ISUR could be involved. That said, I don't see how it could be 50/50 to pass the test score that is necessary unless the NCAA has lowered the bar on the SAT. Although, I haven't seen his past scores, and maybe he's raising it incrementally each time and he's very close.

[BTbird]

What is this absolute nonsense about "trusting the coaching staff" in regards to Hawkins? Your coaching staff has done absolutely nothing to to show any faith, confidence, or ANYTHING about Hawkins.

Hawkins is a non-qualifier. He may have never graduated from HS. He was still taking Ohio's mandatory test for graduating HS in July after he should have graduated. It's not known if he ever passed that test. He was kicked out of his prep school. He had quite a list of schools he wanted to visit that weren't interested in having him visit.

The IlSU coaching staff convinced Hawkins to enroll at IlSU and try to get past the NCAA clearinghouse. His chances of doing that are REALLY slim. If he does make it as a partial qualifier - or whatever the term is now - he has to continue paying his own way for another year.

So, if Hawkins gets past the clearinghouse (chances are slim), IlSU gets a great player. If he doesn't, IlSU says "Thanks for dropping $10K in tuition here. Bye."

This is not "showing trust in a recruit". This is convincing a guy with about 0 chance of ever seeing a D1 basketball court (unless he goes the JuCo route) to pay tuition at IlSU by telling him he'll get a scholarship, but probably not explaining the details very well of what that would require.

The only confidence the IlSU coaching staff has shown in Hawkins is confidence that he's not real bright and isn't going to figure out that he's paying IlSU for an almost 0% chance of playing 3 years of D1 ball instead of 2 if he went the JuCo route.

If he ends up on ISU's roster and is half the cancer you say he is, then yes he is a risk. I trust that the coaching staff is taking this into account.

[mvcfan]

What is this absolute nonsense about "trusting the coaching staff" in regards to Hawkins? Your coaching staff has done absolutely nothing to to show any faith, confidence, or ANYTHING about Hawkins.

Hawkins is a non-qualifier. He may have never graduated from HS. He was still taking Ohio's mandatory test for graduating HS in July after he should have graduated. It's not known if he ever passed that test. He was kicked out of his prep school. He had quite a list of schools he wanted to visit that weren't interested in having him visit.

The IlSU coaching staff convinced Hawkins to enroll at IlSU and try to get past the NCAA clearinghouse. His chances of doing that are REALLY slim. If he does make it as a partial qualifier - or whatever the term is now - he has to continue paying his own way for another year.

So, if Hawkins gets past the clearinghouse (chances are slim), IlSU gets a great player. If he doesn't, IlSU says "Thanks for dropping $10K in tuition here. Bye."

This is not "showing trust in a recruit". This is convincing a guy with about 0 chance of ever seeing a D1 basketball court (unless he goes the JuCo route) to pay tuition at IlSU by telling him he'll get a scholarship, but probably not explaining the details very well of what that would require.

The only confidence the IlSU coaching staff has shown in Hawkins is confidence that he's not real bright and isn't going to figure out that he's paying IlSU for an almost 0% chance of playing 3 years of D1 ball instead of 2 if he went the JuCo route.

If he ends up on ISU's roster and is half the cancer you say he is, then yes he is a risk. I trust that the coaching staff is taking this into account.

No they're not. They just hope that they are one to strike gold, the risk be damned.

[rlh04d]

ESPN updated their story on Hawkins. Included in it was this tweet from Benson citing Valley sources as saying Hawkins would need the waiver despite not qualifying out of HS: https://twitter.com/Pg_Benson/status/355276161808482307

[BTbird]

I have no reason to doubt our coaching staff and I don't mind taking a risk with a talented player. Could blow up on us or it could pay off. If it takes two years for him to play for us like I keep reading, we'll have even more history on the guy. Like you said, we'll see...

You have no reason to doubt your coaching staff? Taking a team predicted to finish second in the Valley and which most IlSU fans thought was the best team in the conference and finishing 6th (and one loss away from 9th) isn't a reason to doubt them?

You can personally not doubt them ... but there is certainly a reason to doubt your staff. I think it'd be tougher to come up with a reason not to doubt them.

I was referring to personnel decisions not the coaching record after 1 year. If I remember correctly Marshall didn't set the world of fire year one either. I really don't understand why you care and feel you have to police what I think of our coaching staff.

[BCPanther]

I have no reason to doubt our coaching staff and I don't mind taking a risk with a talented player. Could blow up on us or it could pay off. If it takes two years for him to play for us like I keep reading, we'll have even more history on the guy. Like you said, we'll see...

You have no reason to doubt your coaching staff? Taking a team predicted to finish second in the Valley and which most IlSU fans thought was the best team in the conference and finishing 6th (and one loss away from 9th) isn't a reason to doubt them?

You can personally not doubt them ... but there is certainly a reason to doubt your staff. I think it'd be tougher to come up with a reason not to doubt them.

I was referring to personnel decisions not the coaching record after 1 year. If I remember correctly Marshall didn't set the world of fire year one either. I really don't understand why you care and feel you have to police what I think of our coaching staff.

Marshall also had a total rebuild and not a team ready to win...

[rlh04d]

I have no reason to doubt our coaching staff and I don't mind taking a risk with a talented player. Could blow up on us or it could pay off. If it takes two years for him to play for us like I keep reading, we'll have even more history on the guy. Like you said, we'll see...

You have no reason to doubt your coaching staff? Taking a team predicted to finish second in the Valley and which most IlSU fans thought was the best team in the conference and finishing 6th (and one loss away from 9th) isn't a reason to doubt them?

You can personally not doubt them ... but there is certainly a reason to doubt your staff. I think it'd be tougher to come up with a reason not to doubt them.

I was referring to personnel decisions not the coaching record after 1 year. If I remember correctly Marshall didn't set the world of fire year one either. I really don't understand why you care and feel you have to police what I think of our coaching staff.

How about you go back a couple pages and tell me why you felt the need to police what Aargh thinks about Hawkins? If you can't handle your opinion being disagreed with respectfully, you might want to reevaluate your participation on a message board.

Marshall had nine seasons as a head coach and seven NCAA appearances when he walked into his first season at WSU. Muller has one year as a HC, and that one year was a complete failure. So you can either base your opinion on him as a HC on that one year or just squeeze your eyes shut and hope for the best.