Biggest Suprise in MVC Next Year

[BTbird]

You have no reason to doubt your coaching staff? Taking a team predicted to finish second in the Valley and which most IlSU fans thought was the best team in the conference and finishing 6th (and one loss away from 9th) isn't a reason to doubt them?

You can personally not doubt them ... but there is certainly a reason to doubt your staff. I think it'd be tougher to come up with a reason not to doubt them.

I was referring to personnel decisions not the coaching record after 1 year. If I remember correctly Marshall didn't set the world of fire year one either. I really don't understand why you care and feel you have to police what I think of our coaching staff.

How about you go back a couple pages and tell me why you felt the need to police what Aargh thinks about Hawkins? If you can't handle your opinion being disagreed with respectfully, you might want to reevaluate your participation on a message board.

Marshall had nine seasons as a head coach and seven NCAA appearances when he walked into his first season at WSU. Muller has one year as a HC, and that one year was a complete failure. So you can either base your opinion on him as a HC on that one year or just squeeze your eyes shut and hope for the best.

Or maybe you could go back a couple of pages and tell me where I'm policing what Aargh thinks about Hawkins. He knows a lot more than I do about him. Believe it or not, I actually agree with most of his posts.

I only said that I have no reason to doubt them and have faith in my coaching staff since they know more than all of us about the Hawkins situation. As odd as it is to me, I guess it is fair game for you to disagree with that logic. My Bad.

[rlh04d]

Or maybe you could go back a couple of pages and tell me where I'm policing what Aargh thinks about Hawkins. He knows a lot more than I do about him. Believe it or not, I actually agree with most of his posts.

I only said that I have no reason to doubt them and have faith in my coaching staff since they know more than all of us about the Hawkins situation. As odd as it is to me, I guess it is fair game for you to disagree with that logic. My Bad.

Your opinion appears to be that anyone disagreeing with your opinion should not respond because doing so would be policing your opinion.

I'm just curious how you can have that opinion in regards to others disagreeing with your opinion and yet you don't consider it to be "policing" when you do likewise to someone else. Such as your reply to Aargh in the last post of page six. "I really don't understand why you care and feel you have to police what (Aargh) think(s) of (Hawkins)."

If you're of the opinion that no one should express an opinion that is different from that of a coach because they have more knowledge of it, congratulations, you've just ended all sports-themed discussion. And politics -- God, no one could ever discuss politics again >=) Besides, lots of coaches have made terrible personnel decisions despite knowing more about the situation than fans.

[Mikovio]

Every coaching staff knows more about their players than you or me so every coaching staff can be trusted and will succeed and they will all have a winning season and gumballs and rainbows will drop from the sky!

[BTbird]

Yes, I made a sarcastic remark to one of Aargh posts. The funny thing is. I don't really disagree with a lot of what Aargh says as I don't know much about Hawkins. AS a result of me not knowing much about him, I tried to make a non-argumentative, non-opinionated statement saying I don't have reason to doubt our coaches when it comes to personnel decisions as they have a good track record with their previous schools. I'll have to trust them on this one. Whatever risks are involved with Hawkins, I'm sure the coaching staff is taking it into account. Shocker fans were not going to let me go with that one. "policing" was a bad choice of a word but it sure felt like it.

I hate to think of what the consequences will be when I have an opinion that is about something non-favorable towards WSU.

[Wufan]

Shocker fans were not going to let me go with that one.

tsk tsk. This is a discussion board…Don't group ALL fans as having one opinion.

[Aargh]

... I don't have reason to doubt our coaches when it comes to personnel decisions as they have a good track record with their previous schools...

The opinions questioning my thoughts were based on such things as this part of the previous post. With that amount of lack of basis for the formation of an opinion, I pretty much ignored those opinions. I made a few attempts at providing the reasoning behind my opinions, but it was apparent that "wishes" were replacing "facts" as the basis of the opposing opinions. Once I figured that out...

BTbird, your coach has absolutely no track record with any previous schools. He' just finished his first year as head coach. If you think having experience as an assistant equates to experience with personnel as a head coach, I would recommend you rethink your position.

[AngryWheat=FTW=]

Marshall had nine seasons as a head coach and seven NCAA appearances when he walked into his first season at WSU. Muller has one year as a HC, and that one year was a complete failure. So you can either base your opinion on him as a HC on that one year or just squeeze your eyes shut and hope for the best.

[rlh04d]

"policing" was a bad choice of a word but it sure felt like it.

And that's my only point. You expressed your opinion respectfully and I respectfully disagreed with it. That's how discussion happens on an internet message board. No reason to throw words like "policing" out just because you don't like being disagreed with

[BTbird]

... I don't have reason to doubt our coaches when it comes to personnel decisions as they have a good track record with their previous schools...

The opinions questioning my thoughts were based on such things as this part of the previous post. With that amount of lack of basis for the formation of an opinion, I pretty much ignored those opinions. I made a few attempts at providing the reasoning behind my opinions, but it was apparent that "wishes" were replacing "facts" as the basis of the opposing opinions. Once I figured that out...

BTbird, your coach has absolutely no track record with any previous schools. He' just finished his first year as head coach. If you think having experience as an assistant equates to experience with personnel as a head coach, I would recommend you rethink your position.

I never said it equates to being a head coach but it is experience and a track record since head coaches lean on their assistants to help them make decisions. It's all I have to go on since he is a new coach. lets agree to disagree on this one. For the sake of ending this argument... I no longer have any faith in ISU's coaching staff nor do I have reason to believe that things will ever get better.