Any chance WSU goes 18-0 in MVC?

[rlh04d]

FWIW, I'd probably take 18-0 over winning in St. Louis. Give me the RPI and resume boost over the 3-day tournament any day.

Everyone would. Only two teams in Valley history have gone 18-0, right? A team wins Arch Madness every season. Pretty clear which is the bigger accomplishment.

Redbird23 isn't even a good troll. Just ignore him.

[jackwagon]

oh no its happening. Just like last year with Creighton fans they are getting a little too high. Its understandable to an extent given last years success but when that February 2 or 3 game losing streak comes better put on some helmets because your fans base will think the sky is falling. This is not conference USA. We have solid coaches everywhere and while it probably wont be as strong as last season the valley is still a tough conference. Shoxs no better than 16-2 and no worse than 14-4 barring a rash of injuries.

[valleychamp]

The biggest mistake fans make is the extrapolate from one year to the next. That is why usually the preseason pick doesn't always win. There are some development questions that WSU will need to have answered. If they are answered in the positive then he'll yes they can finish 18-0. But more than likely there will be a surprise MVC team and some of the WSU player development will be mixed and this team may not be as good as some think.

For an individual team, you are probably right. But its certainly useful to look at overall Valley history when making predictions like this. There have been a ton of great teams in this league and history has shown that they all lose conf games at some point.

We have a similar thread to this virtually every season concerning the preseason favorite. "Will they lose a single game?" We had this same conversation last year with Creighton, and they ended up having the most losss by a league champ in over a decade.

[TylerDurden]

Question for WSU fans: Are you comfortable with your PG/ball handling situation? I'm no expert about WSU's roster, but it appears that Van Vleet is the only true PG on the roster at the moment (with a couple of freshman PGs coming) - the rest are combos with varying levels of ball-handling ability, no?

If Van Vleet takes a huge step forward, the Shox could run the table. If he doesn't, they'll play a lot of low-scoring grinders and likely end up in the 13-15 win range, IMO.

[Aargh]

Question for WSU fans: Are you comfortable with your PG/ball handling situation? I'm no expert about WSU's roster, but it appears that Van Vleet is the only true PG on the roster at the moment (with a couple of freshman PGs coming) - the rest are combos with varying levels of ball-handling ability, no?

If Van Vleet takes a huge step forward, the Shox could run the table. If he doesn't, they'll play a lot of low-scoring grinders and likely end up in the 13-15 win range, IMO.

I probably watched VanVleet a little more closely in the NCAA's than fans of other schools. VanVleet doesn't appear to need either "a huge step forward" or even "a step forward". He was playing in the 20-minute range during the NCAA's. VanVleet was brought along slowly, and was playing very conservatively in Valley games compared to what he's capable of doing.

Baker got some minutes at PG after he returned from injury. I would have to think Marshall was getting him some on-court experience in preparation for this year. Cotton has also played some PG. By maybe the second half of the Valley schedule, a Fr (D.J. Bowles) may be the primary backup at PG.

Bowles was a top-150 (by at least one service) player and it's been said that he's picking up the basics of the WSU system a bit quicker than VanVleet did last year. That's my interpretation of Marshall's comment that he's ahead of where Fred was at this time last year.

WSU has some pretty good defenders, but VanVleet had some filmed moments in summer games that made them look ineffective. The players have commented that VanVleet is very deceptive. From the stands or on TV you can't see the subtleties he uses to get past people or get to a spot to make a pass.

I think VanVleet will be one of the upper-tier PG's in the Valley this year.

[Wufan]

Question for WSU fans: Are you comfortable with your PG/ball handling situation? I'm no expert about WSU's roster, but it appears that Van Vleet is the only true PG on the roster at the moment (with a couple of freshman PGs coming) - the rest are combos with varying levels of ball-handling ability, no?

If Van Vleet takes a huge step forward, the Shox could run the table. If he doesn't, they'll play a lot of low-scoring grinders and likely end up in the 13-15 win range, IMO.

I probably watched VanVleet a little more closely in the NCAA's than fans of other schools. VanVleet doesn't appear to need either "a huge step forward" or even "a step forward". He was playing in the 20-minute range during the NCAA's. VanVleet was brought along slowly, and was playing very conservatively in Valley games compared to what he's capable of doing.

Baker got some minutes at PG after he returned from injury. I would have to think Marshall was getting him some on-court experience in preparation for this year. Cotton has also played some PG. By maybe the second half of the Valley schedule, a Fr (D.J. Bowles) may be the primary backup at PG.

Bowles was a top-150 (by at least one service) player and it's been said that he's picking up the basics of the WSU system a bit quicker than VanVleet did last year. That's my interpretation of Marshall's comment that he's ahead of where Fred was at this time last year.

WSU has some pretty good defenders, but VanVleet had some filmed moments in summer games that made them look ineffective. The players have commented that VanVleet is very deceptive. From the stands or on TV you can't see the subtleties he uses to get past people or get to a spot to make a pass.

I think VanVleet will be one of the upper-tier PG's in the Valley this year.

I agree with Aargh's comments on FVV and the PG situation, however it is a fair question to ask and one that has been brought up on Shockernet. Post play has also been questioned on here as well as shockernet and is equally valid. I'm not worried, but a wait and see attitude may prove to be wiser come March.

[shoxrox]

oh no its happening. Just like last year with Creighton fans they are getting a little too high. Its understandable to an extent given last years success but when that February 2 or 3 game losing streak comes better put on some helmets because your fans base will think the sky is falling. This is not conference USA. We have solid coaches everywhere and while it probably wont be as strong as last season the valley is still a tough conference. Shoxs no better than 16-2 and no worse than 14-4 barring a rash of injuries.

Yeah, it's happening because an SIU fan started a WSU baiting thread and the bashing and pot shots began. So if you wanna cast any blame to anyone in this thread and the responses and retaliations in it, then there's no where else to turn except to them.

[shoxrox]

I'm not worried, but a wait and see attitude may prove to be wiser come March.

An SIU fan asked the question, not a WSU fan, and not one WSU fan has said yes to it. So I don't really see why the need is there to call out any WSU fans when all it's been is another opposing fan bash session by some posters. I guess that's all they got when you can't beat em.

[Wufan]

I'm not worried, but a wait and see attitude may prove to be wiser come March.

An SIU fan asked the question, not a WSU fan, and not one WSU fan has said yes to it. So I don't really see why the need is there to call out any WSU fans when all it's been is another opposing fan bash session by some posters. I guess that's all they got when you can't beat em.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread. ... ext-Season

I don't know why you constantly get worked up?

[shoxrox]

I'm not worried, but a wait and see attitude may prove to be wiser come March.

An SIU fan asked the question, not a WSU fan, and not one WSU fan has said yes to it. So I don't really see why the need is there to call out any WSU fans when all it's been is another opposing fan bash session by some posters. I guess that's all they got when you can't beat em.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread. ... ext-Season

I don't know why you constantly get worked up?

Your answer is a link to a fan message board? I'm pretty sure there are Evansville fans claiming they're going undefeated this season on their board.

I'm talking about here, specifically this thread. I thought my post was clear. I guess not.

I don't know why you constantly get worked up with what WSU fans have to say and are always licking up any opposing fan's backside.