MVC Loses 56% of Top-150 RPI Games

[Cdizzle]

Since every single one of those games will be on national TV, and because recruits have said they like playing in an NBA caliber arena, I'd say that the "living hell" we have to endure seems much more like heaven.

Recruits do like playing in NBA-caliber arenas. Some teams choose to do that in the post-season. After spending the regular season in one of the best arenas in the country. Some teams don't have those options, so they rent.

[TheAsianSensation]

The big blow is losing the MWC Challenge and even BB's to a certain extent. Creighton is an insignificant loss when compared to those two events.

Let me help you with math as you apparently need it.

A. MVC-MWC challenge events provided 11% of the top 150 games.
B. Bracketbusters provided 15% of the top 150 games.
C. Creighton provided 30% of the top 150 games.
D. 30% is greater than 26%.

Net Conclusion: WSU better improve its traditional choking in St Louis as at large bids are going to become much more scarce for the conference in the future.

On the math, you forget the part of the equation where a new member can bring a percentage of the top 150 games. So it's really 30%-x%, which will usually be less than 26%.

Now, this particular year, Loyola ain't helping much, of course. But in most years I expect reasonable help from them.

[GoRamblers]

Here's the thing about LU's scheduling...we were locked in this year to finish up deals that we made when we were in the Horizon. It's not an excuse but it is what it is. No LU fans are happy about this schedule.

That said, Mississippi State will be better than the 230 RPI that they were last year. They had something like 6 scholarship players due to injury and transfer. Tulane should be a bit lower than they were last year (178) with the loss of Josh Davis to San Diego State but they are young and could put up a decent year. UIC (169) and UWM (307) should be better than last year (with UWM making the biggest jump). UC Davis is a good add as they bring back a very good player to watch in Corey Hawkins. Fordham is interesting. They're RPI was 229 despite being 7-24 (3-13 in conference). Hopefully more wins by them means they crack into the 100-200 range.

No doubt about it, though, Portland State (339), SIU-Edwardsville (304), Campbell (289), NIU (333) all suck. But they can't get any worse!

I'm not suggesting that we will have this great RPI and replace Creighton. But I think it would be foolish to think that we're going to remain in the 200 range.

[Khan4Cats]

Here's the thing about LU's scheduling...we were locked in this year to finish up deals that we made when we were in the Horizon. It's not an excuse but it is what it is. No LU fans are happy about this schedule.

That said, Mississippi State will be better than the 230 RPI that they were last year. They had something like 6 scholarship players due to injury and transfer. Tulane should be a bit lower than they were last year (178) with the loss of Josh Davis to San Diego State but they are young and could put up a decent year. UIC (169) and UWM (307) should be better than last year (with UWM making the biggest jump). UC Davis is a good add as they bring back a very good player to watch in Corey Hawkins. Fordham is interesting. They're RPI was 229 despite being 7-24 (3-13 in conference). Hopefully more wins by them means they crack into the 100-200 range.

No doubt about it, though, Portland State (339), SIU-Edwardsville (304), Campbell (289), UNI (333) all suck. But they can't get any worse!

I'm not suggesting that we will have this great RPI and replace Creighton. But I think it would be foolish to think that we're going to remain in the 200 range.

1) I don't have a problem with Loyola's schedule this year. They are transitioning and will get up to speed with Valley scheduling (as long as they don't look at Jank as an example).

2) If you're going to continue to play Northern Illinois (and I expect you may as they are local for you), you'll have to learn to type them out all the way. A number of Valley fans try to put down UNI by not putting our name in the correct order so this site automatically fixes to the correct order.

[rlh04d]

Since every single one of those games will be on national TV, and because recruits have said they like playing in an NBA caliber arena, I'd say that the "living hell" we have to endure seems much more like heaven.

I feel like when I first started coming by this board and Shockernet, people actually respected your opinion.

Man, you sure took care of that.

[JayPak]

Since every single one of those games will be on national TV, and because recruits have said they like playing in an NBA caliber arena, I'd say that the "living hell" we have to endure seems much more like heaven.

I feel like when I first started coming by this board and Shockernet, people actually respected your opinion.

Man, you sure took care of that.

Your ad hominem attack didn't exactly refute his point that Creighton's rented NBA caliber arena draws recruits and national TV.

Speaking of that arena, everyone is cordially invited to drop by the free webcast at http://www.gocreighton.com next Wednesday at 5:30 CT to see the unveiling of the new scoreboard, video boards, court, and athletics logo.

[shocktheheart]

Since every single one of those games will be on national TV, and because recruits have said they like playing in an NBA caliber arena, I'd say that the "living hell" we have to endure seems much more like heaven.

I feel like when I first started coming by this board and Shockernet, people actually respected your opinion.

Man, you sure took care of that.

Your ad hominem attack didn't exactly refute his point that Creighton's rented NBA caliber arena draws recruits and national TV.

Speaking of that arena, everyone is cordially invited to drop by the free webcast at http://www.gocreighton.com next Wednesday at 5:30 CT to see the unveiling of the new scoreboard, video boards, court, and athletics logo.

Wow! A webcast, that is big time!

[DoubleJayAlum]

Your ad hominem attack didn't exactly refute his point that Creighton's rented NBA caliber arena draws recruits and national TV.

Hey, when you can't refute the message, attack the messenger.

(I'll take a stab and guess that rlh is a federal government employee. He probably learned this tactic from watching the current administration in action. )

[shoxrox]

Creighton fans aren't obsessed with the Valley.

This thread proves it.

[rlh04d]

Your ad hominem attack didn't exactly refute his point that Creighton's rented NBA caliber arena draws recruits and national TV.

Speaking of that arena, everyone is cordially invited to drop by the free webcast at http://www.gocreighton.com next Wednesday at 5:30 CT to see the unveiling of the new scoreboard, video boards, court, and athletics logo.

I certainly wasn't trying to refute his point. I was just laughing at his (and your) continued presence on this forum.

But if you want an actual refutation of his point: Wichita and Omaha both have large arenas the teams can play basketball at. Of the two, only Wichita's has actually hosted NBA games, so "NBA caliber" is a pretty empty boast when you've never hosted an NBA team. Of the two, only the Intrust Bank Arena can actually be called "NBA caliber." Because the NBA has deemed it so. To be precise, Intrust would be "NBA caliber," while CenturyLink would be "NBA D-League caliber." Search "CenturyLink" and "NBA" together and the only results you'll find are NBA D-League showcases and Creighton fans claiming it's NBA caliber. Seems like you're trying to convince yourselves of something.

And yet while Wichita State COULD play our games at Intrust, we choose to stay at Koch. That would seem to refute your point that renting a site off campus is somehow better.

Recruiting between Wichita State and Creighton would also refute your point about it drawing recruits. WSU has consistently brought in equivalent or higher rated recruits in recent years, with lowly Koch Arena.

WSU has plenty of games being carried by TV this season, more than Creighton had last season.

Renting off campus does allow you to sell beer, so I guess that's a point for you. Of course, you also have to schedule your games around rodeos, so that's a negative. And of course you lose out on a lot of revenue.

Can you actually hang any of your Final Four or Sweet 16 banners in a rented facility? Ah, guess you wouldn't know.