Who will be named the 2013-14 MVC Newcomer of the Year?

[Wufan]

I've not seen anyone on this list play except the WSU guys. Carter is far and away the highest rated JUCO in the MVC this year. He will not likely start at WSU. Coleby is the highest rated transfer. He will start at WSU. I will be very surprised if there is another post in the league that has the strength and athleticism to compete with either of these players.

My gosh, a guy averages 9ppg and 5rbs in a low level D-1 conference, but there's no one in the Valley outside his own teammates who can even compete with him.

As noted, I haven't seen the other players. I have seen a lot of MVC basketball over the years. I am going to repeat my last sentence: "I will be very surprised if there is another post in the league that has the strength and athleticism to compete with either of these players." You tell me what post in this league will have equal strength and athleticism to 6-9, 250 lb Kadeem Coleby.

[2livewu]

I've not seen anyone on this list play except the WSU guys. Carter is far and away the highest rated JUCO in the MVC this year. He will not likely start at WSU. Coleby is the highest rated transfer. He will start at WSU. I will be very surprised if there is another post in the league that has the strength and athleticism to compete with either of these players.

My gosh, a guy averages 9ppg and 5rbs in a low level D-1 conference, but there's no one in the Valley outside his own teammates who can even compete with him.

Well let's take Addo, who played against WSU. I saw that game, and there's no way Addo would even make WSU's team. That's not to say he's not improved but UNC plays in a much worse conference than the Sun Belt where Coleby came from 2 years ago and has the advantage of practicing against quality big men for the last season. During those practices, it was painful to see the minutes Coleby could have commanded had he been available. I'm not saying Coleby is going to be all world or POY but to compare the 2 is really more than reaching. While not as skilled as Cy (for instance), he's more athletic, and Cy was pretty athletic. Several fans predicted 1st team All Valley for GE last season and I think he ended up 2nd team (could be mistaken) and Coleby is going to provide a lot of the same type of matchup problems for many Valley teams.

And unfortunately, take away WSU and there's really not that much of a difference between the Valley and the Sun Belt. One might argue that the Sun Belt was better than the Valley last season (sans WSU and CU). Yes the Valley is better, but don't act like it's ACC v SWAC difference. (9 vs 15 last season)

[BEARZ77]

The key word was not strength and athleticism, it was compete. I don't doubt both Coleby and Carter have excellent strength and athleticism; they may be all conference players when it's all said and done, who knows at this point. But when you say no one else can compete with them, you just sound ridiculously arrogant. Even if they are as good as you assert, there are a lot of very good players in this league who certainly have enough strength and athleticism to compete and on some nights out perform both.

Everyone on this board is a homer and certainly promotes their team and players, sometimes at exaggerated levels. But I haven't seen anyone else in their rush to promote, show such little respect for the other teams and players. To make a statement that you think Coleby and Carter are the strongest and most athletic players in the league is conjecture but passable, to say no one else can compete is not.

Also to say Addo couldn't make the Shocks roster is again pretty arrogant. I've seen Lutfile play and while he is a stronger player around the basket, he would die to have Addo's offensive skill set.

[glm38]

Athleticism is obviously important but it isn't always the deciding factor in who wins post matchups. Will Creekmore was about as un athletic as it gets. The guy could barely jump. But he out competed bigger, stronger and more athletic posts regularly his senior year.

Sometimes basketball IQ and desire play into it big time. Just as much as athleticism. Carl Hall was strong and athletic but he looked really small compared to Echinque and Jackie. Was he relying on athleticim against them? I don't think so. At times he outplayed them both based on those 2 aforementioned attributes.

I am really interested to see WSU's post players this year. They look good (on paper). But I'd be really surprised if they come in and dominate this first year. I'm a lot more worried about matching up with Early and Baker than the Shox 2 posts.

[Khan4Cats]

UNI is the weakest and least athletic team in the conference. Since that is what constitutes great, competitive basketball teams it is no wonder then, that we always find ourselves where we do regularly in the conference standings.

[Cdizzle]

UNI is the weakest and least athletic team in the conference. Since that is what constitutes great, competitive basketball teams it is no wonder then, that we always find ourselves where we do regularly in the conference standings.

5th?

[moshock]

Also to say Addo couldn't make the Shocks roster is again pretty arrogant. I've seen Lutfile play and while he is a stronger player around the basket, he would die to have Addo's offensive skill set.

I saw Addo and Lufile play against each other last season.

Addo 10-pts 2-reb 21-minutes
Lufile 6-pts 10-reb 20-minutes

I would say that they are comparable players. Lufile hardly sniffed the court for WSU last season when Hall was healthy. I'm not trying to be arrogant but I don't think Addo would have played any more than Lufile did. Lufile was behind Carl Hall and EO and was arguably the 13th rated player on WSU's 12-13 squad.

Lufile has improved a lot this year. It will be interesting to see how much he contributes this season. It will also be interesting to see how Addo does in the MVC.

Addo transferred to MSU looking for playing time. It looks like he will be a good fit. There is nothing like having a Sr that knows the clock is ticking on his career.

[BEARZ77]

I think that is a fair assessment. Addo isn't the rebounding/defensive force I'd like to see in the post and is probably more a 4 than a 5 . But at 6'8, 230 he's big enough to compete in this league and he does have a very solid offensive game because of his ability to hit treys[ over 40% when he played alot as a soph] and to also face the basket and put the ball on the floor from 15-18 ft . However, Tyler McCullough is a true post player who has great fundamentals , good size and strength, and a bit of a nasty streak for a freshman. How fast he adapts to D-1 will determine how well we match up with teams with solid low post players this year, but he will be a solid post presence for the following 3 seasons unless something goes awry

[CBB_Fan]

Coleby will likely play Orukpe's role for Wichita State, though he is likely to have better hands and thus complete a few more of the bullet passes that always ended up as TOs when Orukpe was down low. Still, I think he will not have incredible scoring or rebounding numbers, and thus will not have much chance to take the crown (though hopefully he has tremendous impact on defense and can stay in the game more than Orukpe).

Carter, on the other hand has been talked about playing a role close to that of Hall on the 2011-2012 team. He'll be a backup, but likely will come off the bench early and often. Some have said that he is more athletic and has more range than Hall did coming in, so perhaps he will edge out Hall's numbers that year (8.4/5.0). If he gets close to 10/6, he'll be in the race.

The important distinction is that neither Coleby or Carter will put up the best stats of any of the newcomers, as they will have less minutes and less touches. If Wichita State is dominant and they have a big impact on defense, they might have a shot, otherwise a player with better numbers will win the award. Since the MVC has lost a large number of seniors from last year, and has many transfers and JUCO players there will be a lot of competition. Also, many teams will have a lot of touches open, which may lead to some gaudier numbers than we've seen in the last few years.

[BCPanther]

UNI is the weakest and least athletic team in the conference. Since that is what constitutes great, competitive basketball teams it is no wonder then, that we always find ourselves where we do regularly in the conference standings.

5th?

Last 5 Years---
1st
1st
4th
4th
3rd

So, no. Not 5th.