MVC Preseason Poll

[Wufan]

Agreed that we don't have anyone as good as Kwadzo or Kock, but Tuttle is much better than Jordan was. Jordan was big, but he was slow, uncoordinated, and generally not very skilled.

We'll play Saturday, at least, in St Louis.

Either I am not getting your sarcasm or you don't know anything about basketball. Tuttle isn't anywhere near Jordan. Jordan commanded double teams and was a defensive monster. You had to account for him on both ends of the court and mistakes were critical. Tuttle is a versatile player, but he's nothing compared to JE.

I'm hoping that was a poorly executed joke.

Jordan was like that for exactly 3 months of his career here. Maybe the perception is different from the outside, but Jordan, while a big part of our run, wasn't really a great player. Hell, most of the time in crunch time it was Koch and O'Rear on the floor. In the stretch run against Kansas it was the Koch Brothers, and Jake was a skinny RS Freshman at the time...

As a senior, he lead the team in scoring, rebounding and blocks.

[glm38]

I heard Eglseder was kind of up and down in his career and was even suspended a few games at one point wasn't he? But he was a matchup nightmare for most opposing Valley teams especially his senior year. And in that game against KU for the time he was in he really played their all American center to a draw.

I like Tuttle but he has a ways to go to equal that IMO.

[Kyle]

The two players aren't really comparable.

Tuttle is a versatile big man with some good post moves and a (slowly) developing outside shot.

Jordan is a 7'1" ogre with nothing but size and weight. Shave 3 inches off his frame and he isn't even a D1 player.

[2livewu]

So to be clear, a guy who starts on a top 25 team that makes the Sweet 16 leads that team in scoring, rebounding and blocks but is only 3" away from not being a D1 player.


Got it.


I don't know what some of you pay in tuition, but you need to ask for a refund.

[achrist70]

I am trying to figure out why other schools fans are trying to argue with UNI fans on the talent level of Jordan Egleseder. No doubt he was a good player for us, the 2nd half of his junior year and his senior year. But he did basically nothing before that. Coach Jacobson really wanted him to redshirt as a freshman, but he was not to happy with that idea, but I bet after his career was over he wished he would have. He was a big body that was a matchup nightmare for Valley teams, and without him I don't think there is anyway we beat Kansas. But he was also a 18-20 minute a night guy, who wasn't in the game at the end. It was always O'Rear or Jake Koch with Adam Koch for that team.

And yes if you take 3 or 4 inches off of Jordan he is probably not a D1 ball player, because he would not have his best attribute his size.

Seth Tuttle is a completely different player than Jordan he is a smaller quicker post, that has much more basketball ability due to better athletic ability. Which has made him better at from the beginning. Jordan through his 2nd year had 340 points and 207 rebounds, Tuttle 735 points and 428 rebounds while starting all 70 games compared to Jordan starting 14.

Is Tuttle a better basketball player than Egleseder? Yes, if you put his skill set on a 7'1" kid he wouldn't be at UNI he would probably be in the NBA now.

[2livewu]

I am trying to figure out why other schools fans are trying to argue with UNI fans on the talent level of Jordan Egleseder.

Because after I pointed out that UNI hasn't won a game in St. Louis since Jordan departed, a UNI fan tried make the argument that Tuttle is better than Egleseder.

To point out that JE played lesser minutes than Tuttle has no merit. He was the dominate piece to the puzzle. It is no different than WSU fans that try to demonize Stutz. If any team played him straight up, he scores or gets fouled. His presence makes everyone else better, IN ADDITION to his own personal skill set. "IF he was 3" shorter", well you know what? He wasn't. If Tuttle was 4" taller he couldn't move like he can now. It's an insane point to argue. Might Tuttle end up his career with more success than Egleseder? He might but it's highly unlikely. Egleseder won 2 MVC regular and post season titles and played in 4 NCAA tournament games. To say it's unlikely for Tuttle to match that would be a large understatement. He almost certainly will have better overall statistics (offensively) but A) there can be no discussion who is the better defender and B)better offensive numbers do not always mean better player. Anyone that wouldn't trade Tuttle for Egleseder simply doesn't understand basketball.

[agrinut]

One might be able to make the argument that the Valley was much Weaker during JE's tenure. JE was the best post player in the league during his time you cannot say that about Tuttle.

[achrist70]

JE may have been the best post player his senior year, but wasn't his freshman or sophomore year. I don't see any other true post players on the preseason all conference team

As for the argument that UNI hasn't won in St. Louis since JE left, did Adam Koch, or Ali Farkomanesh not have any role in the success of those teams. Did Lucas O'Rear's injury not ruin the 2011 season?

[glm38]

The question was asked "Why are non UNI fans arguing the merits of UNI players with UNI fans?". That's a pretty goofy question. It is a conference basketball forum. That's just part of it. Most of us (non UNI fans) have watched both Egleseder and Tuttle play many times and are therefore pretty knowledgeable about both players.

I agree I would take Egleseder every time. At least at this point in Tuttles career. Maybe he changes that in the next 2 years but maybe not.

[Wufan]

When Tuttle leads his team to the sweet 16 by leading the Panthers in points and rebounding, I will take Tuttle. Until then, I'll take Jordan.

JE may have been the best post player his senior year, but wasn't his freshman or sophomore year. I don't see any other true post players on the preseason all conference team

I don't care that Jordan wasn't the best post as a freshman or a sophomore. Stutz didn't start until his senior year, nor did Carl Hall.

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As for the argument that UNI hasn't won in St. Louis since JE left, did Adam Koch, or Ali Farkomanesh not have any role in the success of those teams. Did Lucas O'Rear's injury not ruin the 2011 season?

The fact that Jordan played with Koch and Ali AND STILL lead the team in scoring and rebounding tells me that you are giving the guy crap for being tall. HE WAS BETTER AT THOSE SKILLS BECAUSE HE WAS TALL. When Tuttle leads the team with great players, let me know.