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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby GoAcesgo » December 10th, 2013, 10:51 pm

acesfool wrote:Xavier loked like a bottom feeder in the Big East and still found a way to beat us. Mock played well but got by with several shoves in the back in the first half. It finally caught up with him late first half and all of the second. He has to learn how to rebound without shoving the other guy in the back. I'm not sure the Aces played all that well for the first 35 minutes or if it was just how poorly Xavier was playing. I don't know how anyone can question Sawvell leaving after seeing just how bad junior is. That kid looks like he is running in cement with no basketball talent.

Bottom feeder Xavier..haha why do you call yourself a UE fan? What do you have against Blake one of our top 5 freshman in first 10 games in years stats to prove it. What about his block at the end, something Sawvell couldn't do. What about his game last Saturday? Are you Ryan Sawvell' dad?
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby Black » December 10th, 2013, 11:24 pm

Ace Dad wrote:UE grad, I have been watching college basketball since 1974. A one possession game is beautiful basketball. Creates stress and tension and excitement. You will see many more the next 30 years . Hopefully the Aces are on the winning end. By the way......not much difference in the energy, effort, or talent expended in a one possession loss or win :)


It's not that it was a one possession loss that made it bad. It's that it was a multi-possession lead for evansville throughout the majority of the game that was ultimately petered away and lost.

The record and RPI will not reflect the fact that it was a one possession loss.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby Ace Dad » December 10th, 2013, 11:46 pm

Black wrote:
Ace Dad wrote:UE grad, I have been watching college basketball since 1974. A one possession game is beautiful basketball. Creates stress and tension and excitement. You will see many more the next 30 years . Hopefully the Aces are on the winning end. By the way......not much difference in the energy, effort, or talent expended in a one possession loss or win :)


It's not that it was a one possession loss that made it bad. It's that it was a multi-possession lead for evansville throughout the majority of the game that was ultimately petered away and lost.

The record and RPI will not reflect the fact that it was a one possession loss.





Kid, stop embarrassing yourself. Please. Every team that loses a close game typically led the game for awhile.
Your logic is baffling. In fact, you have none.
There is no difference between basketball and life. Give both your best and ignore the "fans" on the sideline.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby Black » December 11th, 2013, 12:08 am

Ace Dad wrote:Kid, stop embarrassing yourself. Please. Every team that loses a close game typically led the game for awhile.
Your logic is baffling. In fact, you have none.


Papa, the embarrassment is all from your direction. This isn't Philosophy 101. This is basketball. Teams aren't evaluated at the end of the year on how many one-possession games they lost. They are evaluated on a variety of metrics, including wins and losses. This isn't biddy ball anymore. You may not like the way it is evaluated, but that's how it is evaluated, whether you like it or not.

And your statement about "every team that loses a close game typically led the game for a while" is one of the poorest uses of logic , or lack thereof, I've ever seen before. There is no basis, no fact, no support at all backing up that totally made-up statement. And once again, it's not like you led the game for 2 seconds by a handful. You led the majority of the game, at most times, close to double-digits. Stop trying to save face and see if you can join us here in reality for a bit.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby purple&orange » December 11th, 2013, 5:23 am

More good than bad tonight certainly, wouldn't want anyone other than DJ on the line in a tie game late. Best player, best FT shooter, going to give us a 2 point lead more times in that situation than leaving it a tie game one would think.

Foul trouble really hurts this group when E has to leave the floor. His 5th may or may not have been the right call but anytime a big guy goes up/over the top clean or not it's probably getting a whistle. Especially late, X in double bonus, he's got 4 already, have him at half court so he can't fall into that temptation (or in a more perfect world hit the FT....) Moore just isn't the same post threat and isn't quite as tall and doesn't change/block the shots that E does but I really like what he can bring when he's on the floor.

Brown had some big baskets in the middle of the 2nd half, all 3 times finishing at the rim when it seemed a basket was needed to stem the Xavier momentum a bit. An explosive guard we haven't seen in a while, both Brown and Boo can beat people off the dribble and get to the rim......would like them to take a jumper every now and again just to show they aren't afraid to do so and IF they can add that to their game they can both be weapons out there.



Judging a team on one game is a dangerous way of evaluating a team but I didn't think Xavier looked all that impressive. They are probably better than Seton Hall and DePaul in that league but based on tonight I'm not sure who else I'd want to add to that list. My gut feeling is that when they break down that tape, Coach Mack won't be glowing about their play. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter how good or bad I think Xavier is, but regardless I think it would have been a really nice win for Evansville. A game UE played well enough to win, just couldn't finish down the stretch. A bit frustrated they couldn't hold on however optimistic for what this group can do and what I will believe they will do in time, even if that time frame doesn't match exactly the one Aces fans may want it to.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby acesfool » December 11th, 2013, 5:41 am

purple&orange wrote:More good than bad tonight certainly, wouldn't want anyone other than DJ on the line in a tie game late. Best player, best FT shooter, going to give us a 2 point lead more times in that situation than leaving it a tie game one would think.

Foul trouble really hurts this group when E has to leave the floor. His 5th may or may not have been the right call but anytime a big guy goes up/over the top clean or not it's probably getting a whistle. Especially late, X in double bonus, he's got 4 already, have him at half court so he can't fall into that temptation (or in a more perfect world hit the FT....) Moore just isn't the same post threat and isn't quite as tall and doesn't change/block the shots that E does but I really like what he can bring when he's on the floor.

Brown had some big baskets in the middle of the 2nd half, all 3 times finishing at the rim when it seemed a basket was needed to stem the Xavier momentum a bit. An explosive guard we haven't seen in a while, both Brown and Boo can beat people off the dribble and get to the rim......would like them to take a jumper every now and again just to show they aren't afraid to do so and IF they can add that to their game they can both be weapons out there.



Judging a team on one game is a dangerous way of evaluating a team but I didn't think Xavier looked all that impressive. They are probably better than Seton Hall and DePaul in that league but based on tonight I'm not sure who else I'd want to add to that list. My gut feeling is that when they break down that tape, Coach Mack won't be glowing about their play. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter how good or bad I think Xavier is, but regardless I think it would have been a really nice win for Evansville. A game UE played well enough to win, just couldn't finish down the stretch. A bit frustrated they couldn't hold on however optimistic for what this group can do and what I will believe they will do in time, even if that time frame doesn't match exactly the one Aces fans may want it to.
One of the most realistic post I have ever seen from another Aces fan. Most of Brown and Boo's drives took place before the offense got all those screens in the lane going which clog up the lane.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby acesfool » December 11th, 2013, 5:51 am

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acesfool wrote:Xavier loked like a bottom feeder in the Big East and still found a way to beat us. Mock played well but got by with several shoves in the back in the first half. It finally caught up with him late first half and all of the second. He has to learn how to rebound without shoving the other guy in the back. I'm not sure the Aces played all that well for the first 35 minutes or if it was just how poorly Xavier was playing. I don't know how anyone can question Sawvell leaving after seeing just how bad junior is. That kid looks like he is running in cement with no basketball talent.

Bottom feeder Xavier..haha why do you call yourself a UE fan? What do you have against Blake one of our top 5 freshman in first 10 games in years stats to prove it. What about his block at the end, something Sawvell couldn't do. What about his game last Saturday? Are you Ryan Sawvell' dad?
No, just a realist. What about his game last Saturday? We loss to a team that hadn't won a D1 game. When you play 30 plus minutes a game you are going to get some stats. His stats are poor for the minutes played and are skewed by a couple of D3 blowout wins. I agree, Sawvell couldn't have blocked that shot. He would never have been allowed in the game; it would take away from juniors minutes. Going forward this team needs to keep Brown, Boo, Ballentine, Moore, and Mock on the floor fo as many minutes together as possible.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby GoAcesgo » December 11th, 2013, 7:57 am

No, just a realist. What about his game last Saturday? We loss to a team that hadn't won a D1 game. When you play 30 plus minutes a game you are going to get some stats. His stats are poor for the minutes played and are skewed by a couple of D3 blowout wins. I agree, Sawvell couldn't have blocked that shot. He would never have been allowed in the game; it would take away from juniors minutes. Going forward this team needs to keep Brown, Boo, Ballentine, Moore, and Mock on the floor fo as many minutes together as possible.[/quote]

Need to check your stats before running your mouth. Blake 1. Best shooting game Valpo. which included 3 - 3 pointers(3 more than Sawvell had in career) 2. Most rebounds Xavier. 3.Most ast Mercer/IUPUI and he has 4 more blocks (5) than Sawvell (1) had in half the minutes. P.S. by the way they did win last Saturday at home.
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby TheDrake » December 11th, 2013, 9:06 am

This was the first Aces game i've seen all the way through this season.

Why does Simmons' kid play so many minutes? He looks god-awful. Lost his man on defensive assignments, air-balled a three and missed layups.

Is he usually better?
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Re: Evansville@Xavier

Postby GoAcesgo » December 11th, 2013, 9:14 am

TheDrake wrote:This was the first Aces game i've seen all the way through this season.

Why does Simmons' kid play so many minutes? He looks god-awful. Lost his man on defensive assignments, air-balled a three and missed layups.

Is he usually better?

He has looked real good at times this year, he is a freshman I think the coaching staff feels at this point they are going to let him and Gibson grow, yes, they look weak at times, but both have a very high ceiling. I think Blake will eventualy be a 12 to 14 point, 6 rebounds and 4 assist guy down the road.
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