2013-2014 Bracketology thread

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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby agrinut » December 27th, 2013, 9:55 pm

pafan wrote:
AsianSensations wrote:And in EVERYBODY PANIC news, rpiforecast now says the MAC has caught us for 11th. Wichita reserves the right to throw a fit about the conference, and we need a gentleman's agreement that says they're allowed to this year. This conference is letting them down, period.

The #1 reason is the poor scheduling in the conference.

Here are the present SoS figures from bbstate.com:
1. UNI - #20
2. WSU - #74
3. D+ - #102
4. Evansville - #129
5. IlSU - #132
6. Bradley - #161
7. MSU - #233
8. SIU - #270
9. InSU - #290
10. Loyola - #310

Indiana State and MSU can't build a profile to help the conference by playing the #230 and #290 schedules in D1. And, because this is based on RPI, it doesn't even include the non-D1 games MSU and InSU have played.

Evansville can't help by going 1-3 against the RPI top 100 (and playing two non-D1 games, and two HBCUs, and IUPUI)



What the heck is bbatate.com? Is that the college basketball equivalent of reddit?
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby pafan » December 28th, 2013, 10:09 am

I have no idea what bbatate.com is.

Guessing that you meant bbstate.com: it is just another RPI site, but it also has full box scores and season-to-date stats for all D1 teams. So I use that one.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby Kip Dynamite » December 28th, 2013, 1:29 pm

pafan wrote:I have no idea what bbatate.com is.

Guessing that you meant bbstate.com: it is just another RPI site, but it also has full box scores and season-to-date stats for all D1 teams. So I use that one.



This site is nuts. They have Missouri State's enrollment listed as 13,450. The Springfield campus alone has nearly 22,000 students this year.

http://news.missouristate.edu/2012/09/1 ... nt-record/

Then they list our record in the old Mid Con conference (now the Summit League), as 83-90? We were actually 197-81 in 9 seasons there. Really good stuff!
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby Wufan » December 28th, 2013, 1:58 pm

Kip Dynamite wrote:
pafan wrote:I have no idea what bbatate.com is.

Guessing that you meant bbstate.com: it is just another RPI site, but it also has full box scores and season-to-date stats for all D1 teams. So I use that one.



This site is nuts. They have Missouri State's enrollment listed as 13,450. The Springfield campus alone has nearly 22,000 students this year.

http://news.missouristate.edu/2012/09/1 ... nt-record/

Then they list our record in the old Mid Con conference (now the Summit League), as 83-90? We were actually 197-81 in 9 seasons there. Really good stuff!


FWIW, that article includes the 2000 students not in Springfield and the 4000 graduate students, and the HS students. I bet if you do some looking that the full time undergrad population on the Springfield campus is pretty close to the number posted.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby agrinut » December 28th, 2013, 8:03 pm

Wufan wrote:
Kip Dynamite wrote:
pafan wrote:I have no idea what bbatate.com is.

Guessing that you meant bbstate.com: it is just another RPI site, but it also has full box scores and season-to-date stats for all D1 teams. So I use that one.



This site is nuts. They have Missouri State's enrollment listed as 13,450. The Springfield campus alone has nearly 22,000 students this year.

http://news.missouristate.edu/2012/09/1 ... nt-record/

Then they list our record in the old Mid Con conference (now the Summit League), as 83-90? We were actually 197-81 in 9 seasons there. Really good stuff!


FWIW, that article includes the 2000 students not in Springfield and the 4000 graduate students, and the HS students. I bet if you do some looking that the full time undergrad population on the Springfield campus is pretty close to the number posted.



Undergrads on the springfield campus past 21,000 this year.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby Wufan » December 28th, 2013, 8:20 pm

agrinut wrote:

Undergrads on the springfield campus past 21,000 this year.


Not according to US News...17000 on four campuses.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby glm38 » December 28th, 2013, 8:49 pm

MSU's website shows enrollment at way over 21K. Not sure if that is just undergrad though.

http://www.missouristate.edu/enrollmentmanagement/
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby pafan » December 28th, 2013, 9:51 pm

MSU's Springfield campus enrolled 13,465 full-time undergraduate, 15165 full-time total, and 20,629 total students in 2012, the latest year for which the Office of Institutional Research reports were completed.

Source: http://www.missouristate.edu/assets/oir ... 3-5-13.pdf, page 19
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby rlh04d » December 29th, 2013, 12:43 pm

pafan wrote:
AsianSensations wrote:And in EVERYBODY PANIC news, rpiforecast now says the MAC has caught us for 11th. Wichita reserves the right to throw a fit about the conference, and we need a gentleman's agreement that says they're allowed to this year. This conference is letting them down, period.

The #1 reason is the poor scheduling in the conference.

Here are the present SoS figures from bbstate.com:
1. UNI - #20
2. WSU - #74
3. D+ - #102
4. Evansville - #129
5. IlSU - #132
6. Bradley - #161
7. MSU - #233
8. SIU - #270
9. InSU - #290
10. Loyola - #310

That site must be ridiculous. All I hear on here are people claiming WSU's record is due to schedule strength. Surely you must have flipped us with MSU.

As for the Asian sensation's point: I don't really see any evidence that the Valley is doing anything but declining long term. While the overall conference numbers have stayed up in the last few years, that seems to primarily be due to two factors: Doug McDermott and Gregg Marshall. I just don't see much to be optimistic about with the conference ... Talent, coaching, recruiting, attendance, revenue, winning, schedule strength, etc. Take WSU out this year and the Valley is barely in the top 15. Drake and Missouri State are the only reasons I have to be even slightly optimistic about the conference, and MoSt is the only team I can see competing for an at large spot in the next two years. Maybe Illinois State if things click. I just don't see the structure around to improve things.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby Wufan » December 29th, 2013, 1:03 pm

rlh04d wrote:As for the Asian sensation's point: I don't really see any evidence that the Valley is doing anything but declining long term. While the overall conference numbers have stayed up in the last few years, that seems to primarily be due to two factors: Doug McDermott and Gregg Marshall. I just don't see much to be optimistic about with the conference ... Talent, coaching, recruiting, attendance, revenue, winning, schedule strength, etc. Take WSU out this year and the Valley is barely in the top 15. Drake and Missouri State are the only reasons I have to be even slightly optimistic about the conference, and MoSt is the only team I can see competing for an at large spot in the next two years. Maybe Illinois State if things click. I just don't see the structure around to improve things.


What I'm optimistic about as far as the Valley goes:

There is still some name recognition. Valley schools are midwestern schools that are predominately basketball first institutions.

WSU is still pointed up.
Drake appears to have hired a monster!
MSU and Illinois State have some talent.
UNI and Indiana State should continue to be solid programs for the foreseeable future, and are capable of having fantastic years not too infrequently.
Bradley and LUC have the resources to right the ship.
Disappointed in Evansville and SIU.

What needs to happen:

WSU and Drake need to maintain their HCs.
MSU and Illinois State need to turn talent into RPIs between 50 and 100.
One of UNI or Indiana State needs to take the next step up to being in or on the verge of being in the top 25 throughout the year.
The other four need to be competitive in the non-con AND suck in the Valley. I'm not relegating these four teams to be bottom feeders, but that's how you build a strong conference; by separating the top from the bottom. Hopefully UE, SIU, LUC, and Bradley all get it going so that the separation isn't as important, but until they are top 150 RPI, I'm rooting against them every game in League play.
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