Wichita State @ Indiana State

[FearDaTrees]

The Sycamores certainly had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Both teams played really good defense for pretty much the entire game but we didn't really have an answer for Early down low. Myself, along with just about everybody in the HC last night, thought that Cleanthony and one with about a minute left was definitely a charge. Odum was set for a full second before Early plowed into him. If that is called a charge, we get the ball back with 1 min to go and a chance to take the lead. Missing the front end of one and one's late in the 2nd half will get you every time. Good game, Shox. See you at the Arch.

[shocktheheart]

The Sycamores certainly had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Both teams played really good defense for pretty much the entire game but we didn't really have an answer for Early down low. Myself, along with just about everybody in the HC last night, thought that Cleanthony and one with about a minute left was definitely a charge. Odum was set for a full second before Early plowed into him. If that is called a charge, we get the ball back with 1 min to go and a chance to take the lead. Missing the front end of one and one's late in the 2nd half will get you every time. Good game, Shox. See you at the Arch.

Charged call differently this year. Secondary defender has to be completely set before the offensive player starts his upward motion. It was close, but if you take a look at the replay, Odum wasn't completely set yet.

[FearDaTrees]

The Sycamores certainly had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Both teams played really good defense for pretty much the entire game but we didn't really have an answer for Early down low. Myself, along with just about everybody in the HC last night, thought that Cleanthony and one with about a minute left was definitely a charge. Odum was set for a full second before Early plowed into him. If that is called a charge, we get the ball back with 1 min to go and a chance to take the lead. Missing the front end of one and one's late in the 2nd half will get you every time. Good game, Shox. See you at the Arch.

Charged call differently this year. Secondary defender has to be completely set before the offensive player starts his upward motion. It was close, but if you take a look at the replay, Odum wasn't completely set yet.

I guess we're looking at different replays...

[shockthemonkey]

The Sycamores certainly had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Both teams played really good defense for pretty much the entire game but we didn't really have an answer for Early down low. Myself, along with just about everybody in the HC last night, thought that Cleanthony and one with about a minute left was definitely a charge. Odum was set for a full second before Early plowed into him. If that is called a charge, we get the ball back with 1 min to go and a chance to take the lead. Missing the front end of one and one's late in the 2nd half will get you every time. Good game, Shox. See you at the Arch.

It was a close call. From what I understand the rule reads if you are not the primary defender on the shooter and you are going to take a charge you can not be moving at all during anytime when the ball is moving upward. Odum was sliding slightly to his left at contact and wasn't the primary defender so thus was called for the block.

Not sure where the mix up was but the problem came when all ISUb players switched off of Early and left an open path to the bucket. With the great defense ISUb was playing for that last 5 minutes it was one small crack that WSU was able to find. You all shut down FVV and that was a big part of our issues on offense. Great game ISUb, go out and finish strong and we'll see you on Sunday in STL.

[shocktheheart]

The Sycamores certainly had opportunities to get it done and didn't. Both teams played really good defense for pretty much the entire game but we didn't really have an answer for Early down low. Myself, along with just about everybody in the HC last night, thought that Cleanthony and one with about a minute left was definitely a charge. Odum was set for a full second before Early plowed into him. If that is called a charge, we get the ball back with 1 min to go and a chance to take the lead. Missing the front end of one and one's late in the 2nd half will get you every time. Good game, Shox. See you at the Arch.

Charged call differently this year. Secondary defender has to be completely set before the offensive player starts his upward motion. It was close, but if you take a look at the replay, Odum wasn't completely set yet.

I guess we're looking at different replays...

They seem to error on the side of block...he was still sliding to the left.

[shock]

It doesn't matter if the odum was set or not. If the offensive player is in control, it will be a block every time.

[KC MVC FAN]

I don't pretend to be a coach. Couldn't start to diagram a play. But, watching last night's game I offer my thoughts on both WSU and INSU offenses.

WSU: one, two or three players always moving: to a screener position, cutting, breaking to the goal, positioning for a rebound, etc. Motion, motion, motion.

INSU: No motion, no motion, no motion. Very little pick and roll, few effective screens, no sharp cutters, to many long shots with no one in position to rebound, no inside game--smothered by WSU big guys. INSU played the arc too much---Odum was effective when he drove but even then he was dribbling into a seam rather cutting into a open slot created by a pick, a screen, or receiving a good pass. It seemed the 3 INSU guards/forward set the pivot foot, stayed in that position, then did a series of head, foot step, ball fakes/feints 2 or 3 time, then pass to another F or G and he would go through the same set of fakes or feints. May even happened a third or fourth in several possessions. KILLED THE MOTION--followed by a last second long shot! All WSU had to do was play straight up face to face defense.

[Cdizzle]

I don't pretend to be a coach. Couldn't start to diagram a play. But, watching last night's game I offer my thoughts on both WSU and INSU offenses.

WSU: one, two or three players always moving: to a screener position, cutting, breaking to the goal, positioning for a rebound, etc. Motion, motion, motion.

INSU: No motion, no motion, no motion. Very little pick and roll, few effective screens, no sharp cutters, to many long shots with no one in position to rebound, no inside game--smothered by WSU big guys. INSU played the arc too much---Odum was effective when he drove but even then he was dribbling into a seam rather cutting into a open slot created by a pick, a screen, or receiving a good pass. It seemed the 3 INSU guards/forward set the pivot foot, stayed in that position, then did a series of head, foot step, ball fakes/feints 2 or 3 time, then pass to another F or G and he would go through the same set of fakes or feints. May even happened a third or fourth in several possessions. KILLED THE MOTION--followed by a last second long shot! All WSU had to do was play straight up face to face defense.

What game were you watching? That was the worst (2nd maybe to St. Louis?) WSU's offense has looked all year. Full credit to InSU for making the WSU offense look that terrible. I'm OK with InSU reviewing that game tape in preparation for a possible 3rd matchup in March. I would very much appreciate if they burned all the other copies and did not share with other schools.

[KC MVC FAN]

I don't pretend to be a coach. Couldn't start to diagram a play. But, watching last night's game I offer my thoughts on both WSU and INSU offenses.

WSU: one, two or three players always moving: to a screener position, cutting, breaking to the goal, positioning for a rebound, etc. Motion, motion, motion.

INSU: No motion, no motion, no motion. Very little pick and roll, few effective screens, no sharp cutters, to many long shots with no one in position to rebound, no inside game--smothered by WSU big guys. INSU played the arc too much---Odum was effective when he drove but even then he was dribbling into a seam rather cutting into a open slot created by a pick, a screen, or receiving a good pass. It seemed the 3 INSU guards/forward set the pivot foot, stayed in that position, then did a series of head, foot step, ball fakes/feints 2 or 3 time, then pass to another F or G and he would go through the same set of fakes or feints. May even happened a third or fourth in several possessions. KILLED THE MOTION--followed by a last second long shot! All WSU had to do was play straight up face to face defense.

What game were you watching? That was the worst (2nd maybe to St. Louis?) WSU's offense has looked all year. Full credit to InSU for making the WSU offense look that terrible. I'm OK with InSU reviewing that game tape in preparation for a possible 3rd matchup in March. I would very much appreciate if they burned all the other copies and did not share with other schools.

Sizzle. Me, what game were you watching. I thought WSU's offense was sizzling--pardon the pun. Movement, penetration, good shooting, screens, cutters, dominated the inside. You must be in some kind of denial that INSU played you a very good game---what, down to 3 points with a minute on the clock. If WSU's offense was off it was due to INSU's defense. Both teams played good defense. INSU missed to many free throws, especially the first of one and ones. Would have been tough for anyone to beat Baker last night--all around good!

I gave you my Dick Vitale verbal analysis. Where is your's---please, no RPI, no SOS crap some of you guys spew.

[rlh04d]

I gave you my Dick Vitale verbal analysis. Where is your's---please, no RPI, no SOS crap some of you guys spew.

Please, no one use any sort of statistics. Keep all discussion regarding basketball strictly limited to biased, uninformed speculation.

As everyone here is a former D1 player and D1 coach, I expect us to have riveting conversations regarding X's and O's.