Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby pafan » February 20th, 2014, 4:48 pm

Ace Dad wrote:I disagree. The season wears on the players and unless you have played college basketball, you would not understand.

I think the implication was that Indiana State is one of the deeper teams in the Valley, so if anyone would avoid fatigue issues, it should be them.
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby COUTEAU » February 20th, 2014, 4:56 pm

pafan wrote:
Ace Dad wrote:I disagree. The season wears on the players and unless you have played college basketball, you would not understand.

I think the implication was that Indiana State is one of the deeper teams in the Valley, so if anyone would avoid fatigue issues, it should be them.



shame on you for not accepting acedad's view as gospel

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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby Ace Dad » February 20th, 2014, 7:16 pm

COUTEAU wrote:
pafan wrote:
Ace Dad wrote:I disagree. The season wears on the players and unless you have played college basketball, you would not understand.

I think the implication was that Indiana State is one of the deeper teams in the Valley, so if anyone would avoid fatigue issues, it should be them.



shame on you for not accepting acedad's view as gospel

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And shame on you for being a ( ). Go back to being the good guy you were ;)
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby Snaggletooth » February 20th, 2014, 7:36 pm

FearDaTrees wrote:If it's not a blow-out, we will be getting plenty of looks on Selection Sunday.


1-4 record versus Top 100 and Non-conference SOS of 207 and add in bad loss to a 200+ RPI team means your not in the discussion.
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » February 20th, 2014, 9:52 pm

Snaggletooth wrote:
FearDaTrees wrote:If it's not a blow-out, we will be getting plenty of looks on Selection Sunday.


1-4 record versus Top 100 and Non-conference SOS of 207 and add in bad loss to a 200+ RPI team means your not in the discussion.


In the 68-team era, I'd wager the Sycamores would be in the discussion, with Dayton being their ceiling.

Just last year, Middle Tennessee was Dayton-bound with just 1 Top-100 RPI win.

ISU fans need to root for the Oklahoma State's of the world to go 6-12 in BXII play. Other bubble teams will need to FORCE their way out for the Sycamores to grab the last spot, if they can run the table until the CBS game.
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby Snaggletooth » February 20th, 2014, 11:52 pm

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:In the 68-team era, I'd wager the Sycamores would be in the discussion, with Dayton being their ceiling.

Just last year, Middle Tennessee was Dayton-bound with just 1 Top-100 RPI win.


Middle Tennesee State also had a RPI 33 and Non-Conference SOS of 10. Lunardi doesn't even have them on his radar.

In a normal year, ISUB might have actually won the MVC and maybe been at large but a perfect storm has occurred to stop them from being "their year"

1. Then their non-conference schedule seemed at least decent, but Belmont went from a Top 25 RPI to sucking this year - and they had them on the schedule twice and worse they lost once to them.

2. Notre Dame seemed like they would be a top 50 victory, but they have struggled all year to be 0.500 team.

3. Couldn't beat STL, and their margin for getting a good non-conference win vanished

4. Then there was the MVC, 4 teams with 200+ RPI sucking the life out of their RPI and then losing to one of them. MVC RPI tanked from 8th last year to 11th.

5. Then the cherry on top - WSU just dominating the conference and running away with the race.

If you think it going to happen you will be peeing green in the morning from all the kool aid your drinking. Even the ISUB beat writer has agreed when he attended the NCAA mock draft last week - there was no realistic discussion for ISUB making it as an at-large.
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby rlh04d » February 21st, 2014, 1:41 am

I mentioned this on ShockerNet, but ISUb deserves to miss the tournament for the poor scheduling they did this year.

Notre Dame and Belmont being a bit worse than expected doesn't explain what RPIForecast has as the 203rd best nonconference schedule.

There's no excuse for that, when ISUb knew that the MVC was going to be worse this year, the same as WSU did. Not when ISUb knew there team has been better early in the season than late for the last few years. Not with a senior-heavy team that was going to have their best opportunity at an at-large bid this year.

There's no excuse for choosing to play four teams with 250+ RPI's in the nonconference season, all four of which are consistently bad. And to make things even worse, one of those (Ball State) is a yearly opponent, and the other three (IUPUI, UMKC, and Eastern Illinois) were all home/home games. What is wrong with Indiana State that you're scheduling home/home series with teams consistently hovering around 300 RPIs?

Indiana State essentially created a schedule this year that was entirely dependent on beating WSU, Saint Louis, Notre Dame, and Belmont. That's a seven game schedule, assuming they get WSU in St. Louis. And only two of those games were at home. And almost any loss against any team not in that group is an immediate bad loss. That's just stupid scheduling.

ISUb should not be playing Ball State, IUPUI, UMKC, or Eastern Illinois. They should absolutely not be going on the road to play any of those teams. You've been a consistent top 100 RPI team for several years -- how can you not schedule more home/home games with average mid-major programs? Those four teams are buy games, and you should not have four of them in one year.

Indiana State will not make the tournament. And they only have their coach to blame. He did not give his team a realistic opportunity to succeed. He basically said you have to win three-to-four games against ND, WSU, Belmont, and SLU and not lose to anyone else to have a good shot at an at-large bid.
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby Ace Dad » February 21st, 2014, 8:36 am

rlh04d wrote:I mentioned this on ShockerNet, but ISUb deserves to miss the tournament for the poor scheduling they did this year.

Notre Dame and Belmont being a bit worse than expected doesn't explain what RPIForecast has as the 203rd best nonconference schedule.

There's no excuse for that, when ISUb knew that the MVC was going to be worse this year, the same as WSU did. Not when ISUb knew there team has been better early in the season than late for the last few years. Not with a senior-heavy team that was going to have their best opportunity at an at-large bid this year.

There's no excuse for choosing to play four teams with 250+ RPI's in the nonconference season, all four of which are consistently bad. And to make things even worse, one of those (Ball State) is a yearly opponent, and the other three (IUPUI, UMKC, and Eastern Illinois) were all home/home games. What is wrong with Indiana State that you're scheduling home/home series with teams consistently hovering around 300 RPIs?

Indiana State essentially created a schedule this year that was entirely dependent on beating WSU, Saint Louis, Notre Dame, and Belmont. That's a seven game schedule, assuming they get WSU in St. Louis. And only two of those games were at home. And almost any loss against any team not in that group is an immediate bad loss. That's just stupid scheduling.

ISUb should not be playing Ball State, IUPUI, UMKC, or Eastern Illinois. They should absolutely not be going on the road to play any of those teams. You've been a consistent top 100 RPI team for several years -- how can you not schedule more home/home games with average mid-major programs? Those four teams are buy games, and you should not have four of them in one year.

Indiana State will not make the tournament. And they only have their coach to blame. He did not give his team a realistic opportunity to succeed. He basically said you have to win three-to-four games against ND, WSU, Belmont, and SLU and not lose to anyone else to have a good shot at an at-large bid.


So tell me, how many phone calls did the ISU Assistant Coach make with teams that fall within the 40-100 RPI range in an attempt to bolster the schedule?
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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby shocktheheart » February 21st, 2014, 8:44 am

Ace Dad wrote:
rlh04d wrote:I mentioned this on ShockerNet, but ISUb deserves to miss the tournament for the poor scheduling they did this year.

Notre Dame and Belmont being a bit worse than expected doesn't explain what RPIForecast has as the 203rd best nonconference schedule.

There's no excuse for that, when ISUb knew that the MVC was going to be worse this year, the same as WSU did. Not when ISUb knew there team has been better early in the season than late for the last few years. Not with a senior-heavy team that was going to have their best opportunity at an at-large bid this year.

There's no excuse for choosing to play four teams with 250+ RPI's in the nonconference season, all four of which are consistently bad. And to make things even worse, one of those (Ball State) is a yearly opponent, and the other three (IUPUI, UMKC, and Eastern Illinois) were all home/home games. What is wrong with Indiana State that you're scheduling home/home series with teams consistently hovering around 300 RPIs?

Indiana State essentially created a schedule this year that was entirely dependent on beating WSU, Saint Louis, Notre Dame, and Belmont. That's a seven game schedule, assuming they get WSU in St. Louis. And only two of those games were at home. And almost any loss against any team not in that group is an immediate bad loss. That's just stupid scheduling.

ISUb should not be playing Ball State, IUPUI, UMKC, or Eastern Illinois. They should absolutely not be going on the road to play any of those teams. You've been a consistent top 100 RPI team for several years -- how can you not schedule more home/home games with average mid-major programs? Those four teams are buy games, and you should not have four of them in one year.

Indiana State will not make the tournament. And they only have their coach to blame. He did not give his team a realistic opportunity to succeed. He basically said you have to win three-to-four games against ND, WSU, Belmont, and SLU and not lose to anyone else to have a good shot at an at-large bid.


So tell me, how many phone calls did the ISU Assistant Coach make with teams that fall within the 40-100 RPI range in an attempt to bolster the schedule?


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Re: Evansville at Indiana State (2/19)

Postby pafan » February 21st, 2014, 8:53 am

If you're the InSU coaching staff last July looking at your schedule along with 2013 RPI, I think you're probably feeling pretty good:
10 D1 games. Only 3 home games.
3 vs Top 25, 4 vs Top 50, 4 vs top 100, 5 vs top 150, 5 vs top 200, 6 vs top 250, 9 vs top 300.

With Tulsa and Pepperdine being just two possibilities, with the opportunity for better games in the Great Alaska Shootout. No games against Grambling State -- no buy games period.

Would it have been nice to schedule another middling BCS school? (Say, West Virginia?) Sure. Would a win at West Virginia punch ISU's ticket? You tell me.
Replacing a home win against IUPUI with a win at WVU would improve InSU's:
RPI to 0.5875, rank #43
SOS to 0.512, rank #127
NCSOS to 0.5188, rank #115
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