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[MSUDuo]

If they all finish 9-9, they could also go 1-1 against each other.

Do they not do the point ranking system? 10 pts for beating the 1st place team and so on? Been a while since I've seen that.

[pafan]

Do they not do the point ranking system? 10 pts for beating the 1st place team and so on? Been a while since I've seen that.

No. Haven't used that in probably 5 years.

[Wufan]

Do they not do the point ranking system? 10 pts for beating the 1st place team and so on? Been a while since I've seen that.

In the quote that answered your question above, the following information was located:

"The 2011 tie breaking procedure marks a departure from the league’s point-system tiebreaker, which had been utilized in the conference since the 1993 tournament."

I now understand why you wanted someone else to look this up.

[uniftw]

Edit: didn't realize I basically made a v.2.0 of unitftw's post. Kinda got lost in the moment.

This type of thing is something very few people/fans that are UNI fans or not realize.

At this point I'm past Doug going to Creighton...I get that situation. It's the extreme lack of depth that it caused UNI that has hurt and is hurting UNI right now. Tuttle would have been able to RS with Doug on campus. Tuttle as a RS soph right now would be scary. That would have also allowed Ted to RS this year...and likely Marvin as a freshman...

As much as the loss of Doug hurt it is the loss of O'Rear just as much. A likely 3rd straight NCAAs, possible 3rd straight regular season and/or tournament titles and the entire landscape of UNI changes these last 3 years. We still have a huge upper hand on Iowa and Iowa State on recruiting in the area. We have a lot more momentum as a program, we have a fan base that is doing something other than in-fighting (I really do not like the vast majority of the UNI fan base sadly), we are in a MUCH better place right now....even if Doug never shows up. PSE pointed it out but Lucas caught a lot of grief for his looks, style of play, etc... but he was a tremendous athlete. There is a reason he has played professional baseball since his career at UNI has been over. He is exactly the type of play UNI is missing right now.

Maybe Oliveria would have been a stop gap for UNI. He had major work ethic/attitude problems. He redshirted and the coaches thought they had gotten through to him. He dropped about 20-30 lbs, was in better shape, worked harder in the classroom, seemed to have righted things. He then went home to Chicago for a couple weeks and came back in worse shape than he was when he first stepped foot on campus. He always tweeted (Still does) and posted pictures about how much he works out and how he is going to make it as a pro ball player but doesn't seem to put the effort in. He has/had great upside but never wanted to work for it at UNI. I see he is at 10 ppg and 4 rpb at Eastern Illinois right now while playing 18 mpg. He is about 20lbs lighter than he was at UNI as well. Maybe something finally clicked for him...I don't know. The timing of his transfer hurt UNI as it was during the season and at a time we couldn't get anyone else.....much like Doug leaving UNI for Creighton when he did.


It's really been a cluster f*** of issues at UNI in the post positions. Hopefully things are starting to turn there with the size we have recruited in the last year to play down there. Now it's if they develop. Next season is kind of going to make or break UNI it would seem with everyone that sees significant PT back except Rank and kids coming off of RS with a better skill set than Chip.

[Wufan]

I think UNI is better next year. There's an interesting battle at PG between Washpun and Mitchell…not sure if that is good or bad for the team, but I'm glad there is solid competition. Bohannon has been MUCH better in Valley play than he was in the non-con, and that has helped tremendously. Morgan will be a player…the sooner the better for the Panthers. Buss has really stepped up and will continue to cause match up problems and Tuttle will be the best returning big in the MVC next year. What is UNI lacking in separating itself from the 3-7 pack? IMO, the Panthers need one (or two) of their bigs to be able to step up and play 20 minutes of solid basketball backing up Buss and Tut, AND they need another deep threat that can play defense to back up Morgan and Bohannon.

Panthers are my early pick for 2nd place next season. Ill St and Mo St are right there.

[uniftw]

I think UNI is better next year. There's an interesting battle at PG between Washpun and Mitchell…not sure if that is good or bad for the team, but I'm glad there is solid competition. Bohannon has been MUCH better in Valley play than he was in the non-con, and that has helped tremendously. Morgan will be a player…the sooner the better for the Panthers. Buss has really stepped up and will continue to cause match up problems and Tuttle will be the best returning big in the MVC next year. What is UNI lacking in separating itself from the 3-7 pack? IMO, the Panthers need one (or two) of their bigs to be able to step up and play 20 minutes of solid basketball backing up Buss and Tut, AND they need another deep threat that can play defense to back up Morgan and Bohannon.

Panthers are my early pick for 2nd place next season. Ill St and Mo St are right there.

Ah...the lack of post depth - been covered ad nausea in the last couple days.

The PG battle is interesting at UNI. Mitchell has been the guy since the second he stepped foot on campus but that has changed the last couple weeks. He is in some sort of funk. Some rumor he isn't 100% healthy and thats part of it, there seems to be a large mental piece of it as well as he just looks disinterested a lot. The WSU game he showed a ton of energy against FVV trying to prove he belongs in the discussion for best PG but then disappears against Drake, Eville, etc... He's shown great flashes offensively by going over 20 multiple times. There is no consistency from him which has led to Washpun being the starter right now. Washpun is a freak athlete and the biggest knock on him out of HS was he couldn't shoot. Well, that has been fixed. He is careless with the ball at times though which causes issues late in games against a press. UNI has a kid coming in next year that was a HS teammate of Jeremy Morgan that seems to be the future at UNI at PG. There is those who want him to RS and have 4 years to start but he has the talent to come in and play right away. He's put multiple games of 60 plus points up in AAU games, he's had multiple games of 20+ assist in AAU games. He's one of the top 3 players in the state...my big knock from watching him play is his shot release is long and slow. Works in HS - won't work against MVC PGs.

Matty Bo is a great shooter but a half step slow on D. I think he'll work hard on that over the off season. While he won't be 100% as fast if he can go from a half step slow to a 1/5 step slow I'll take it. He is extremely dangerous for UNI offensively. His OOC was very out of character for him. I think his conference play is what we see from him going forward.

Morgan is going to be very special for UNI...very excited to see what kind of progress he makes going into next season.

Tuttle will be Tuttle.

UNI gets some guys into the mix next year that could be HUGE for the team.

6'6 wing Paul Jespersen is eligible. He is a VERY good defender. He isn't a huge threat on offense but could be the missing piece of intensity on the outside that UNI has been missing. He was a starter in the ACC. Robert Knarr is every bit the shooter (maybe better by some reports) as Bohannon. It's if he can get healthy. He missed his sr year of HS with a torn ACL and then retore the same ACL this year. Bennett Koch is apparently the most talented of the Koch brothers, and tallest, but needs to gain a good amount of weight. He's beaten Adam one of one. He needs about 20-30lbs though. Klint Carlson is an interesting piece for UNI. He was one of the top 5 players in IA last season as a SR. Put up great numbers, but at 6'7 what position does he play? He'll probably get put into a 4 so we'll see how that goes. Ted has played this year. He has the body to play but needs to get adjusted to the speed. Jake says he has the best footwork of any post player he's seen in a while but his hands (as you've seen with the fouls he picks up) need work. He relied on his size in HS.

Going into next year I think the rotation looks something like this

PG: Mitchell, Washpun, Bo
SG: Washpun, Bo, Morgan, Knarr
WG: Morgan, Jesperson, Buss, Singleton

This is where it gets tougher because of everything. If Ted is read to roll then he plays the 5 and Tut plays a 4 and we go to a traditions 2 post system when they are both on the floor. Tut and Ted will split most of the time a the 5 with Koch seeing some time. I see a mix of Tuttle, Buss, Carlson, Singleton, and Jesperson at the 4

[Wufan]

Forgot about Jesperson. I knew there was a reason I thought UNI would be better next year. Hopefully the bigs pan out.

[MSUDuo]

Do they not do the point ranking system? 10 pts for beating the 1st place team and so on? Been a while since I've seen that.

In the quote that answered your question above, the following information was located:

"The 2011 tie breaking procedure marks a departure from the league’s point-system tiebreaker, which had been utilized in the conference since the 1993 tournament."

I now understand why you wanted someone else to look this up.

Skipped right down to the multiple teams tied section and completely overlooked it

It'll never happen again!

[MVCfans]

We know #1 and #2. UNI took a big step toward locking up #3 with their win today. Here are the rest of the projections.

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[Red]

We know #1 and #2. UNI took a big step toward locking up #3 with their win today. Here are the rest of the projections.

wp

I was really disappointed in our effort in this one. Certainly there's an advantage to being the 3 seed and ending up in the opposite side of bracket from Wichita State. Maybe we can get to #6