Frankamp to wsu?

[rlh04d]

It's like putting lipstick on a pig, a KU reject is a KU reject.

KU recruited him. KU offered him a scholarship. KU tried to talk him out of leaving.

Which one of those has him as a reject?

Maybe he left because his minutes were declining and would continue to decline. Maybe he left because he wanted to develop into the well-rounded player that Marshall turns out instead of the 3pt specialist Self wanted him to be. Either way, he left on his own. If he's a KU reject, then Armstead was an Oregon reject.

Your hatred for Kansas is blinding you.

[rlh04d]

I do not need to be reminded, I told you what I would do if he ever played a game for Wichita State and I will do it.

PM me and I will provide you all of my information.

To be fair you'll have until January 2016 to make that donation. I'll still pass on the kiss.

https://www.michaeljfox.org/

[Aargh]

Something tells me this was always your problem with him, and worries over scholarship counts were just how you chose to frame your complaint. You don't want to feel like we're getting KU's leftovers.

My only issue with Frankamp is the scholarship situation. I even trust Marshall. I trust Marshall explained the scholarship situation very clearly and Frankamp thought he could deal with whatever it was that Marshall could offer, which may not be a guaranteed scholarship for 2015-'16.

If Frankamp gets a scholarship in 2015-'26, we could end up parking a recruit at Sunrise again. If that happens, it will be November next year (early signing period) before we know if signing Frankamp caused us to lose a current recruit.

As to whether I think Frankamp is a good get, which has also been questioned, I will give a couple of thoughts.

1. I thought Frankamp was overrated coming out of HS

2. I was not surprised by Frankamp's results at KU last year. I was a little surprised at his performance against Stanford. I never did buy into one game trumping an entire season.

3. He's not a PG and may never be a PG. Posters on ShockerNet already have him as the next AA out of WSU, and as the second-best PG in the history of the Valley (behind VanVleet). I will gladly give Frankamp the opportunity to deserves that praise, but I do not award that based on his playing a different position his entire career to this point.

4. He's got Doug McDermott's ability to hit uncanny shots from 3. He's a great shooter, but I don't know if can effectively defend D1 PG's at 6' tall. He will have people simply shooting over him. R'ian Holland is only 6', but that guy can jump out of the gym.

5. I'm glad to see him at WSU, but I'm not proclaiming him GodFrankampGod, which appears to be the only option on ShockerNet. Some poster over there are starting to remind me of posters on phog.net. It's getting a little arrogant.

BTW, Clamdip hasn't lost his bet yet. It will be at least a little over a year before the outcome of that wager cam be known.

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[Wufan]

This is good news for WSU and the MVC! I'm not sure if Baker will be at WSU for his senior year, but the backcourt of VanVleet/Frankamp/Baker could be legendary! Of course, VanVleet/Baker/Cotton already is.

[Play Angry]

Something tells me this was always your problem with him, and worries over scholarship counts were just how you chose to frame your complaint. You don't want to feel like we're getting KU's leftovers.

My only issue with Frankamp is the scholarship situation. I even trust Marshall. I trust Marshall explained the scholarship situation very clearly and Frankamp thought he could deal with whatever it was that Marshall could offer, which may not be a guaranteed scholarship for 2015-'16.

If Frankamp gets a scholarship in 2015-'26, we could end up parking a recruit at Sunrise again. If that happens, it will be November next year (early signing period) before we know if signing Frankamp caused us to lose a current recruit.

As to whether I think Frankamp is a good get, which has also been questioned, I will give a couple of thoughts.

1. I thought Frankamp was overrated coming out of HS

2. I was not surprised by Frankamp's results at KU last year. I was a little surprised at his performance against Stanford. I never did buy into one game trumping an entire season.

3. He's not a PG and may never be a PG. Posters on ShockerNet already have him as the next AA out of WSU, and as the second-best PG in the history of the Valley (behind VanVleet). I will gladly give Frankamp the opportunity to deserves that praise, but I do not award that based on his playing a different position his entire career to this point.

4. He's got Doug McDermott's ability to hit uncanny shots from 3. He's a great shooter, but I don't know if can effectively defend D1 PG's at 6' tall. He will have people simply shooting over him. R'ian Holland is only 6', but that guy can jump out of the gym.

5. I'm glad to see him at WSU, but I'm not proclaiming him GodFrankampGod, which appears to be the only option on ShockerNet. Some poster over there are starting to remind me of posters on phog.net. It's getting a little arrogant.

BTW, Clamdip hasn't lost his bet yet. It will be at least a little over a year before the outcome of that wager cam be known.

Sometimes it is just best to pack up and move on. Your statements regarding #3 and #5 re: SN cannot be backed up unless your meter is so off that you mistake tongue-in-cheek humor for bellicose boasting.

I don't think anyone is buying the martyr shtick.

[rlh04d]

My only issue with Frankamp is the scholarship situation...

BTW, Clamdip hasn't lost his bet yet. It will be at least a little over a year before the outcome of that wager cam be known.

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Your bitterness over an imaginary reaction against you on ShockerNet isn't even funny. It's honestly depressing.

Read my previous post re: Clamdip's bet. Already said that.

Here's the recap of every argument you've made yet on this topic:

"CF isn't any good, he's an overrated shooter who will never be able to play PG, and I know this based on his 8 mpg. He will inevitably cause us to lose a more talented recruit, and I know they're more talented based on their 0 mpg/Henderson's exact same numbers. We will have to take a scholarship away from a player to give it to him, and I know this because I know the grades and academic standing of every current recruit. ShockerNet posters are proclaiming him God, even though I can't post one instance of such happening. ShockerNet posters ran me out of the place for disagreeing with them, even though I can't produce even one mean thing ever said to me about it on there."

And on and on and on.

And you can keep saying "your only issue with CF is the scholarship issue" if you want, but you yourself just proved that was a lie with the rest of your post. I can also post about thirty statements from you that prove you have far greater issues with CF than the scholarship issue. You decided to stake your claim on the scholarship issue because you thought that was a safer bet than continuing to argue that he is an inferior basketball player, even though you also keep making that argument. Just because you deleted every post you made on ShockerNet about him doesn't mean what you said is gone.

You've decided to go down in flames while repeatedly ripping apart a committed Shocker recruit, and soon to be player. Just understand that. You haven't merely casually questioned his ability to succeed with WSU -- you've ripped him apart to the level of casting him as unquestionably inferior to Cory Henderson. You have, at various points; called him unathletic, lacking quickness, lacking physical attributes that transfer to the D1 level; stated that his 29% 3PT shooting is about what to expect of him; stated he's unable to play the point; argued repeatedly the many ways he's vastly inferior to Henderson and Holland; argued that he's unable to rebound, play defense, or dish out assists; insinuated he's unable to run the floor in a transition game; stated he would be assigned to the other team's weakest player; stated his foot speed and vertical are lacking. In fact the only positive statement I believe you've ever made regarding Frankamp is that he would do well in a stationary perimeter offense with quick ball movement and perimeter shooting.

... and then you retreat to the safety of the scholarship issue. I'm not sure if you even see the hypocrisy in posting things like "I don't think there's anyone out here who wouldn't want Conner if there was room on the roster" and then saying the things I alluded to above in the next breath.

You have gone way, way out on a limb here, and you seem to be so focused on being "right" that you're now in a position where you're going to actively root against a Shocker player. I have large issues with that.

[Aargh]

My only issue with Frankamp is the scholarship situation...

BTW, Clamdip hasn't lost his bet yet. It will be at least a little over a year before the outcome of that wager cam be known.

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Your bitterness over an imaginary reaction against you on ShockerNet isn't even funny. It's honestly depressing.

Read my previous post re: Clamdip's bet. Already said that.

Here's the recap of every argument you've made yet on this topic:

"CF isn't any good, he's an overrated shooter who will never be able to play PG, and I know this based on his 8 mpg. He will inevitably cause us to lose a more talented recruit, and I know they're more talented based on their 0 mpg/Henderson's exact same numbers. We will have to take a scholarship away from a player to give it to him, and I know this because I know the grades and academic standing of every current recruit. ShockerNet posters are proclaiming him God, even though I can't post one instance of such happening. ShockerNet posters ran me out of the place for disagreeing with them, even though I can't produce even one mean thing ever said to me about it on there."

And on and on and on.

And you can keep saying "your only issue with CF is the scholarship issue" if you want, but you yourself just proved that was a lie with the rest of your post. I can also post about thirty statements from you that prove you have far greater issues with CF than the scholarship issue. You decided to stake your claim on the scholarship issue because you thought that was a safer bet than continuing to argue that he is an inferior basketball player, even though you also keep making that argument. Just because you deleted every post you made on ShockerNet about him doesn't mean what you said is gone.

You've decided to go down in flames while repeatedly ripping apart a committed Shocker recruit, and soon to be player. Just understand that. You haven't merely casually questioned his ability to succeed with WSU -- you've ripped him apart to the level of casting him as unquestionably inferior to Cory Henderson. You have, at various points; called him unathletic, lacking quickness, lacking physical attributes that transfer to the D1 level; stated that his 29% 3PT shooting is about what to expect of him; stated he's unable to play the point; argued repeatedly the many ways he's vastly inferior to Henderson and Holland; argued that he's unable to rebound, play defense, or dish out assists; insinuated he's unable to run the floor in a transition game; stated he would be assigned to the other team's weakest player; stated his foot speed and vertical are lacking. In fact the only positive statement I believe you've ever made regarding Frankamp is that he would do well in a stationary perimeter offense with quick ball movement and perimeter shooting.

... and then you retreat to the safety of the scholarship issue. I'm not sure if you even see the hypocrisy in posting things like "I don't think there's anyone out here who wouldn't want Conner if there was room on the roster" and then saying the things I alluded to above in the next breath.

You have gone way, way out on a limb here, and you seem to be so focused on being "right" that you're now in a position where you're going to actively root against a Shocker player. I have large issues with that.

Thank you. This pretty much demonstrates my point that anyone not begging to fellate Frankamp to get him to WSU will be misinterpreted, misquoted, ostracized, demonized, and cast aside.

I have questioned his athleticism, but will admit I've seen him make a layup in a highlight film where his hand got up to the rim. I have questioned his foot speed. I asked on ShockerNet if he was fast enough to run WSU's transition game . I got no answers, so now I'm the guy saying he's too slow??

I will fess up. I'm not fond of 6' SG's. I'm not convinced Frankamp can convert to playing PG. I will give him the opportunity to demonstrate that he can do either or both. I will not crown him as the next coming of Oscar Robertson until he show me that's what he can be. If he does that, even if he can be half the PG that Matt Brauer (at 5'11" ) was, that's what I want to see before I go "all in" on him.

As your post demonstrates with incredible veracity, going "all in" before he even enrolls at WSU is required if one is to be a "true Shocker fan".

I never put my faith in Fr, JuCo trfrs in the first semester, or trfrs with shaky D1 credentials. I gladly give those players the opportunity to show shat they can do. Frankamp is in that group.

[Aargh]

My only issue with Frankamp is the scholarship situation...

BTW, Clamdip hasn't lost his bet yet. It will be at least a little over a year before the outcome of that wager cam be known.

.

Your bitterness over an imaginary reaction against you on ShockerNet isn't even funny. It's honestly depressing.

Read my previous post re: Clamdip's bet. Already said that.

Here's the recap of every argument you've made yet on this topic:

"CF isn't any good, he's an overrated shooter who will never be able to play PG, and I know this based on his 8 mpg. He will inevitably cause us to lose a more talented recruit, and I know they're more talented based on their 0 mpg/Henderson's exact same numbers. We will have to take a scholarship away from a player to give it to him, and I know this because I know the grades and academic standing of every current recruit. ShockerNet posters are proclaiming him God, even though I can't post one instance of such happening. ShockerNet posters ran me out of the place for disagreeing with them, even though I can't produce even one mean thing ever said to me about it on there."

And on and on and on.

And you can keep saying "your only issue with CF is the scholarship issue" if you want, but you yourself just proved that was a lie with the rest of your post. I can also post about thirty statements from you that prove you have far greater issues with CF than the scholarship issue. You decided to stake your claim on the scholarship issue because you thought that was a safer bet than continuing to argue that he is an inferior basketball player, even though you also keep making that argument. Just because you deleted every post you made on ShockerNet about him doesn't mean what you said is gone.

You've decided to go down in flames while repeatedly ripping apart a committed Shocker recruit, and soon to be player. Just understand that. You haven't merely casually questioned his ability to succeed with WSU -- you've ripped him apart to the level of casting him as unquestionably inferior to Cory Henderson. You have, at various points; called him unathletic, lacking quickness, lacking physical attributes that transfer to the D1 level; stated that his 29% 3PT shooting is about what to expect of him; stated he's unable to play the point; argued repeatedly the many ways he's vastly inferior to Henderson and Holland; argued that he's unable to rebound, play defense, or dish out assists; insinuated he's unable to run the floor in a transition game; stated he would be assigned to the other team's weakest player; stated his foot speed and vertical are lacking. In fact the only positive statement I believe you've ever made regarding Frankamp is that he would do well in a stationary perimeter offense with quick ball movement and perimeter shooting.

... and then you retreat to the safety of the scholarship issue. I'm not sure if you even see the hypocrisy in posting things like "I don't think there's anyone out here who wouldn't want Conner if there was room on the roster" and then saying the things I alluded to above in the next breath.

You have gone way, way out on a limb here, and you seem to be so focused on being "right" that you're now in a position where you're going to actively root against a Shocker player. I have large issues with that.

Thank you. This pretty much demonstrates my point that anyone not begging to fellate Frankamp to get him to WSU will be misinterpreted, misquoted, ostracized, demonized, and cast aside.

I have questioned his athleticism, but will admit I've seen him make a layup in a highlight film where his hand got up to the rim. I have questioned his foot speed. I asked on ShockerNet if he was fast enough to run WSU's transition game . I got no answers, so now I'm the guy saying he's too slow??

I will fess up. I'm not fond of 6' SG's. I'm not convinced Frankamp can convert to playing PG. I will give him the opportunity to demonstrate that he can do either or both. I will not crown him as the next coming of Oscar Robertson until he shows me that's what he can be. If he does that, even if he can be half the PG that Matt Brauer (at 5'11" ) was, that's what I want to see before I go "all in" on him.

As your post demonstrates with incredible veracity, going "all in" before he even enrolls at WSU is required if one is to be a "true Shocker fan".

I never put my faith in Fr, JuCo trfrs in the first semester, or trfrs with shaky D1 credentials. I give those players the opportunity to show what they can do. Frankamp is in that group.

[wgslaw]

Wichita State is a different world. Practice is extremely demanding, intense, relentless, and anything less than 100% all the time is highly unacceptable. FVF has said on multiple occasions that the games at WSU are easy but the practices are hell. Carl Hall sitting on the bench with Baker after practice once said "Bake, I don't think I can do this". That is where the rubber will meet the road for CF. Unhappy with Shag Morris' conditioning and effort, Marshall sat him at this years public team scrimmage on an exercise bike in the corner of the arena while the team scrimmaged before a crowd of thousands. Interestingly, Marshall started Morris the third game of the season. Guys like FVF, Baker, Cotton and even Carter today-they are just on auto pilot-they don't know any thing else.

[bighouse]

Wichita State is a different world. Practice is extremely demanding, intense, relentless, and anything less than 100% all the time is highly unacceptable. FVF has said on multiple occasions that the games at WSU are easy but the practices are hell. Carl Hall sitting on the bench with Baker after practice once said "Bake, I don't think I can do this". That is where the rubber will meet the road for CF. Unhappy with Shag Morris' conditioning and effort, Marshall sat him at this years public team scrimmage on an exercise bike in the corner of the arena while the team scrimmaged before a crowd of thousands. Interestingly, Marshall started Morris the third game of the season. Guys like FVF, Baker, Cotton and even Carter today-they are just on auto pilot-they don't know any thing else.

Who is FVF? Are you referring to Fred Van Vleet? If you are going to make a point you should start with know how to spell the all amarican point guards name. It drives me crazy when media cant get it right, but it should not be hard for fans.