Next Coach for SIU?

[BCPanther]

Barry needs at least 4 more years to evaluate. He is a great guy and great ambassador for the valley. He runs a clean program and did I mention he's a great guy.

How many times have you been on the bubble, let alone in the tournament, since you ran Barry?

I'll hang up and listen.

[rlh04d]

Barry needs at least 4 more years to evaluate. He is a great guy and great ambassador for the valley. He runs a clean program and did I mention he's a great guy.

How many times have you been on the bubble, let alone in the tournament, since you ran Barry?

I'll hang up and listen.

I don't get the problems MoSt fans had with Barry. Lusk has only had one season, in his four years there, that has been better than Hinson's worst mark. And in year four under Lusk, the program isn't advancing -- it's a one man team that's under >.500 against D1 competition.

Cuonzo Martin was clearly a better coach, but he was also clearly not going to stick around at a program like MoSt.

[glm38]

Barry needs at least 4 more years to evaluate. He is a great guy and great ambassador for the valley. He runs a clean program and did I mention he's a great guy.

How many times have you been on the bubble, let alone in the tournament, since you ran Barry?

I'll hang up and listen.

I don't get the problems MoSt fans had with Barry. Lusk has only had one season, in his four years there, that has been better than Hinson's worst mark. And in year four under Lusk, the program isn't advancing -- it's a one man team that's under >.500 against D1 competition.

Cuonzo Martin was clearly a better coach, but he was also clearly not going to stick around at a program like MoSt.

The main gripe was simply not making the ncaa tourney for 9 years. We always seemed to lose the "big games". That wasn't the usual for MSU during the Spoonhour and Alford years. Barry was and is a good guy in the opinion of most Bears fans.

[bleach]

Barry needs at least 4 more years to evaluate. He is a great guy and great ambassador for the valley. He runs a clean program and did I mention he's a great guy.

How many times have you been on the bubble, let alone in the tournament, since you ran Barry?

I'll hang up and listen.

Cuonzo was a much better coach than Barry and Lusk is no better than Barry.
Unlike some people, it's not my goal to have a coach never get outside offers. Barry didn't and Lusk won't.

Don't change the subject! Barry should get a lifetime contract at SIU.

[rlh04d]

The main gripe was simply not making the ncaa tourney for 9 years. We always seemed to lose the "big games". That wasn't the usual for MSU during the Spoonhour and Alford years. Barry was and is a good guy in the opinion of most Bears fans.

I understand that.

And in the seven years since, MoSt still hasn't made the NCAA tourney.

So ... again, why the hate on Barry specifically? I could understand the logic if MoSt was clearly succeeding without him, but they're not. Barry's nine seasons were clearly superior to the seven since he left.

MoSt has one NCAA tournament appearance in the last 23 years. Sure, be disappointed that Barry didn't change that, but clearly the problem is bigger than one man. Even that 1999 team that got to the Sweet 16 wasn't a great team -- a #12 seed, absolutely loaded with upper classmen (10), which to me is the kind of team that a guy looking to move on puts together, school be damned. And hell, if you want Steve Alford back, UCLA will probably fire him soon.

(I'm not at all opposed to MoSt moving on from Barry when they did, either. Cuonzo Martin was clearly a good move, and I'm okay with taking a risk because you're not happy with "good enough." I just don't get the clear dislike for a guy that did a pretty good job.)

[Cdizzle]

I'm also not sure you'd see a team with a resume' like a couple of Barry's MSU teams left out of the tournament any more. Too much scrutiny to leave out teams with RPIs in the 20s.

[glm38]

The main gripe was simply not making the ncaa tourney for 9 years. We always seemed to lose the "big games". That wasn't the usual for MSU during the Spoonhour and Alford years. Barry was and is a good guy in the opinion of most Bears fans.

I understand that.

And in the seven years since, MoSt still hasn't made the NCAA tourney.

So ... again, why the hate on Barry specifically? I could understand the logic if MoSt was clearly succeeding without him, but they're not. Barry's nine seasons were clearly superior to the seven since he left.

MoSt has one NCAA tournament appearance in the last 23 years. Sure, be disappointed that Barry didn't change that, but clearly the problem is bigger than one man. Even that 1999 team that got to the Sweet 16 wasn't a great team -- a #12 seed, absolutely loaded with upper classmen (10), which to me is the kind of team that a guy looking to move on puts together, school be damned. And hell, if you want Steve Alford back, UCLA will probably fire him soon.

(I'm not at all opposed to MoSt moving on from Barry when they did, either. Cuonzo Martin was clearly a good move, and I'm okay with taking a risk because you're not happy with "good enough." I just don't get the clear dislike for a guy that did a pretty good job.)

Again you are seeing the "hate" from a few hard core fans. Not from the majority. Remember when someone on this board ( I think it was MVC john) predicted that when SIU / Barry came back to Spfld it would be a circus and Barry would be booed mercilessly? Didn't happen. In fact it was the opposite. Loud cheering with nary a boo or negative comment that I or anyone else could hear.

Personally I think Barry is a great guy and a decent recruiter and coach. He's just not a guy to get you to the next level.

I think most times when a coach leaves involuntarily or for a better job there some in the fan base that have some animosity isn't there? I think I've seen some snide comments lobbed at Turgeon on Shockernet. Different circumstances of the coach leaving but it still illustrates the point because there's really no reason for that either but I doubt it reflects the opinion of the majority of Shocker fans.

[BCPanther]

Barry also left Kyle Weems for Cuonzo. Take him away and Cuonzo doesn't look anywhere as good.

[glm38]

Barry also left Kyle Weems for Cuonzo. Take him away and Cuonzo doesn't look anywhere as good.

He was there for Cuonzo but he was a fairly lightly regarded recruit. Cuonzo and staff developed him into the player he became. Kyle says that himself. No comparison between Barry and Cuonzo. Or Cuonzo and Lusk to this point.

[bleach]

Wanting Barry gone and being glad he's gone is not hate. I read post after post on here about how foolish teams are that accept mediocrity, brag about it, or are excited by beating horrible teams. The Bears fans that wanted Barry gone knew we would never be where we were with Spoon, Alford, or even Martin if Barry stayed. The same is true now with Lusk.

What Alford and Martin accomplished in 3 years was more than Barry produced in 9. If we should just be content with not being horrible then SIU should keep Barry forever. If not then it was more than time for Barry to go and SIU should expect no better.