Would you let Marty finish the season?

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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Cdizzle » February 10th, 2015, 2:11 pm

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Cdizzle wrote:I'm pretty sure there is about 1 job in the Valley that is at the level Jans is looking for in his next job (no offense meant to UNI. Your program is rock-solid, just a little low on the resources compared to where I think he's heading). I also do not think he will be a 1-year program-jumper.


No offense taken, plus I don't expect us to have an opening for another 12-15 years at the least...

I agree that the UNI job won't be open any time soon, which is a great thing. I'm curious to see if UNI can parlay this year's success (and hopefully tournament success) into another financial bump up for Jacobson and the program.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby rlh04d » February 10th, 2015, 2:34 pm

E-Villan wrote:I think it really comes down to what is the so-called booster group and administration is willing to offer. The $300K is probably realistic, but hopefully incentives such as wins, real postseason appearances, attendance boosts, etc can be built in. Outside of WSU right now, I really don't see anyone in the league head and shoulders above what we should be able to do financially. Bradley was, but the shortfalls from the Geno debacle will hang over them for some time. The key is getting our fanbase back. Just getting back to $9K alone would generate an additional $1.2mm in ticket sale revenue annually. In the mid 80's, we were able to hire the top assistant at a very high major, and retain him for 17 years. I can't confirm what Crews salary was during those years, but I am pretty sure it wasn't the bottom of the MCC or MVC. I would hope we could find that type of commitment and resource again if we do make such a move.

I agree, if we aren't going to up the ante, then we might as well settle with our happy alumn.

Unfortunately, I think the sports world is phenomenally different now than it was then. Money is simply so much more prevalent in college athletics now.

It's almost impossible to compare today's world to the mid 80's, because there are ... what, 75 "BCS" teams right now? Add in the Big East as well, and the handful of major programs outside of those groups with significant financial advantages (WSU, VCU, Gonzaga, Dayton, Saint Louis, etc., etc., etc.), and you've got close to 100 college basketball teams capable of paying at LEAST five times the salary of Evansville for a coach. Ultimately, of the ~350 D1 college basketball teams, Evansville is likely in the bottom half or close to it in terms of financial resources.

This is a struggle for EVERY Valley team, and WSU is included. It's simply almost impossible to financially compete with the top 85-100 teams in the modern era because of the influx of television revenue, which the Valley is completely excluded from. In the mid-80's, TV revenue was a far, far smaller part of the puzzle, and attendance revenue was a far bigger part.

Basically, programs like Evansville were capable of being financially relevant relative to the pack in the 80's ... they're not even close now. Financially well over 100 teams can outbid Evansville for any coach they would want.

Ultimately that's why I still want WSU out of the Valley at any opportunity. I love the Valley, its history, and while the bottom half of this conference is killing WSU's RPI opportunities (and my sanity), I don't think it's a big hindrance to getting WSU to where we as fans want it to be. But the line of history is pretty clear right now: if you don't have financial revenue from television, you're being left in the dust. WSU has been able to stay financially relevant for this long largely because of great attendance, a strong donor base, and lack of football expenses, but as television contracts keep getting stronger and stronger, and this conference continues to simply sit here and stagnate with no forward momentum towards a financial win, eventually WSU won't be able to keep up, either.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby rlh04d » February 10th, 2015, 2:41 pm

Cdizzle wrote:
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Heinro wrote:If I were Bradley or I guess even Evansville. I'd go after coach Jans. If you could get over him being an Illinois St. guy.

If you got past all of that, I am not sure 1 year is enough experience to warrant $400K plus. Heck, Marty had 1 good year at SIUE.

If you contend that UE cannot afford Jans, I agree.

If you contend that Jans is not yet worthy of the UE HC job, I strongly disagree. If you don't believe, don't compare his 1 year to year 8 of Simmons. You may become upset.

If you contend that Jans is not yet worthy of the UE HC job, yet they cannot afford him, I am confused.

I disagree with this. Coach Jans is still unproven, regardless of how good you or I might THINK he is.

Jumping to conclusions about a coach early on in their tenure, regardless of who they are or where they came from, is a mistake. I don't think you should hire any head coach until they've shown the ability to win in year four.

The ability to coach a team to a good record is only part of the job. Ultimately, Coach Jans is currently winning with someone else's players. Obviously we know he's a good recruiter, and I expect Jans to be doing very well at BG in year four, but still ... prove it first.

Proving your worth as head coach of a basketball program takes longer than one season. Recruiting hasn't even entered into the equation yet at that point.

I love Coach Jans, and hope he coaches BG to a point where he becomes the obvious successor to Marshall, but I'd be scared if Marshall left this year and Jans replaced him. Jans just isn't proven yet. No one is after one single season.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Khan4Cats » February 10th, 2015, 2:45 pm

BCPanther wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:I'm pretty sure there is about 1 job in the Valley that is at the level Jans is looking for in his next job (no offense meant to UNI. Your program is rock-solid, just a little low on the resources compared to where I think he's heading). I also do not think he will be a 1-year program-jumper.


No offense taken, plus I don't expect us to have an opening for another 12-15 years at the least...


I agree with BC about the job not likely to be open and that Jans is likely pushing for bigger gigs, but you also have to factor in with Jans that he grew up 20 minutes from UNI and still has family in the area.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby rlh04d » February 10th, 2015, 2:46 pm

E-Villan wrote:I don't think we should get too far into specific candidates since Marty will certainly finish the season out. My guess is barring an even more horrific collapse, he will probably get one more.

Why not? I think we should absolutely get into specific candidates.

If Evansville fans are demanding his firing, I think it's entirely logical to ask who they'd like to see replace Simmons, given UE's financial constraints.

I know WSU fans would have a list of 20 names easily if Marshall was to leave this year.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Khan4Cats » February 10th, 2015, 2:49 pm

rlh04d wrote:I disagree with this. Coach Jans is still unproven, regardless of how good you or I might THINK he is.

Jumping to conclusions about a coach early on in their tenure, regardless of who they are or where they came from, is a mistake. I don't think you should hire any head coach until they've shown the ability to win in year four.

The ability to coach a team to a good record is only part of the job. Ultimately, Coach Jans is currently winning with someone else's players. Obviously we know he's a good recruiter, and I expect Jans to be doing very well at BG in year four, but still ... prove it first.

Proving your worth as head coach of a basketball program takes longer than one season. Recruiting hasn't even entered into the equation yet at that point.

I love Coach Jans, and hope he coaches BG to a point where he becomes the obvious successor to Marshall, but I'd be scared if Marshall left this year and Jans replaced him. Jans just isn't proven yet. No one is after one single season.


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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby UE-grad » February 10th, 2015, 2:50 pm

E-Villan wrote:Whoever it is, we will need someone who can coach and work the community well. I know this will get all the MSU posters going, but we need a Barry Hinson type. Marty doesn't help his cause by being somewhat invisible outside of the season. It's kind of sad that it seems we see Tom Crean doing more events in Evansville than Marty.


I agree 100% with this sentiment. I gave up following Marty's twitter account long ago because, with the exception of the occasional congratulations to another UE team it was nothing but retweets of canned "inspirational" quotes from mass-marketed twitter accounts. I know he is the exception, and probably doesn't write half of his tweets, but coach Cal has the thing down. He multiple times a day offers insight into the program and his personal life. With the size of UE and the community there is a major opportunity to bring the area close to the program. It's not a UK or IU where only the mega-donors have access. The "average Joe" truly has the opportunity to get as close as they want to.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Khan4Cats » February 10th, 2015, 2:50 pm

rlh04d wrote:
E-Villan wrote:I don't think we should get too far into specific candidates since Marty will certainly finish the season out. My guess is barring an even more horrific collapse, he will probably get one more.

Why not? I think we should absolutely get into specific candidates.

If Evansville fans are demanding his firing, I think it's entirely logical to ask who they'd like to see replace Simmons, given UE's financial constraints.

I know WSU fans would have a list of 20 names easily if Marshall was to leave this year.


Any AD who doesn't have a list of names set aside to contact in case of an opening is failing in their duties.
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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby shocktheheart » February 10th, 2015, 2:53 pm

Khan4Cats wrote:
rlh04d wrote:I disagree with this. Coach Jans is still unproven, regardless of how good you or I might THINK he is.

Jumping to conclusions about a coach early on in their tenure, regardless of who they are or where they came from, is a mistake. I don't think you should hire any head coach until they've shown the ability to win in year four.

The ability to coach a team to a good record is only part of the job. Ultimately, Coach Jans is currently winning with someone else's players. Obviously we know he's a good recruiter, and I expect Jans to be doing very well at BG in year four, but still ... prove it first.

Proving your worth as head coach of a basketball program takes longer than one season. Recruiting hasn't even entered into the equation yet at that point.

I love Coach Jans, and hope he coaches BG to a point where he becomes the obvious successor to Marshall, but I'd be scared if Marshall left this year and Jans replaced him. Jans just isn't proven yet. No one is after one single season.


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Re: Would you let Marty finish the season?

Postby Khan4Cats » February 10th, 2015, 2:54 pm

Cdizzle wrote:
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Cdizzle wrote:I'm pretty sure there is about 1 job in the Valley that is at the level Jans is looking for in his next job (no offense meant to UNI. Your program is rock-solid, just a little low on the resources compared to where I think he's heading). I also do not think he will be a 1-year program-jumper.


No offense taken, plus I don't expect us to have an opening for another 12-15 years at the least...

I agree that the UNI job won't be open any time soon, which is a great thing. I'm curious to see if UNI can parlay this year's success (and hopefully tournament success) into another financial bump up for Jacobson and the program.


UNI doesn't have the resources to do all that WSU does, but a lot of the things in Jacobson's contract are not related to his salary and instead focus on assistant coach salaries, recruiting budget, travel, etc. Again, it would be great to offer those things in addition to salary like WSU does, but the resources aren't there and I think Jake is quite comfortable in the Cedar Valley with his current income. That's why the latest big contribution to the program went into the locker room and team room.
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