Illinois State at Evansville

[Rollbird5]

2nd there are league rules regarding this situation and then the league didn't go by them (since he had signed a letter of intent with a valley school and then went to another he had to sit out a year). They decided to ignore their own rules and Elgin pulled something out his butt because that Hawkins hadn't qualified he didn't need to sit out for anybody except WSU.. I guess the precedent was started when they let the wookie decommit his son to UNI and transfer him to CU.

Teddy sat out last year

[rlh04d]

Who are the two non-Envold juniors? JUCO?

The two non-Enevold juniors will be Kale Abrahamson, a transfer from Northwestern and Blake Danielak.

Abrahamson is a 6'8" small forward, local kid, was a top-150 player in high school. Shooter, not very athletic but can run the floor.

Danielak is a 6'8" kid who started several games last season, but has only played in 6 games this season for a total of about 20 minutes. Ray has three guys who play his position coming in next season. Everybody will be shocked if he's actually back. If he leaves, I expect the staff to sign a juco player.

Gotcha. I was assuming Danielak was going to be a medical RS, but transferring out makes sense.

[BCPanther]

Wait, Hawkins couldn't get into Wichita State with their 96% acceptance rate??

Not a slam on the university, but how on earth did he not get in??

[Khan4Cats]

2nd there are league rules regarding this situation and then the league didn't go by them (since he had signed a letter of intent with a valley school and then went to another he had to sit out a year). They decided to ignore their own rules and Elgin pulled something out his butt because that Hawkins hadn't qualified he didn't need to sit out for anybody except WSU.. I guess the precedent was started when they let the wookie decommit his son to UNI and transfer him to CU.

Teddy sat out last year

I think you only have to sit out if you are not a coaches son. McDecommit and Beane.

[Redbird Recon]

Wait, Hawkins couldn't get into Wichita State with their 96% acceptance rate??

Not a slam on the university, but how on earth did he not get in??

Getting into Wichita had nothing to do with it.
He couldn't get past the NCAA Clearinghouse.

[Cdizzle]

2nd there are league rules regarding this situation and then the league didn't go by them (since he had signed a letter of intent with a valley school and then went to another he had to sit out a year). They decided to ignore their own rules and Elgin pulled something out his butt because that Hawkins hadn't qualified he didn't need to sit out for anybody except WSU.. I guess the precedent was started when they let the wookie decommit his son to UNI and transfer him to CU.

Teddy sat out last year

He didn't sit out. He wasn't eligible to play. I still don't understand how he was admitted to ISUr under the clearinghouse, but no matter.

[Redbird Recon]

It really looks like Illinois State fans don't like Marshall because Illinois State players play dirty, and Illinois State's staff follows the Shox to their dressing room and a confrontation occurs.

Or because Gregg cut in the press conference line.

I love that we've just broken down the IlSt/WSU fan rivalry to Marshall didn't wait his turn in line >=)

He was publicly reprimanded by the league. If it wasn't a big deal, Elgin would have just let it go.

[Redbird Recon]

2nd there are league rules regarding this situation and then the league didn't go by them (since he had signed a letter of intent with a valley school and then went to another he had to sit out a year). They decided to ignore their own rules and Elgin pulled something out his butt because that Hawkins hadn't qualified he didn't need to sit out for anybody except WSU.. I guess the precedent was started when they let the wookie decommit his son to UNI and transfer him to CU.

Teddy sat out last year

He didn't sit out. He wasn't eligible to play. I still don't understand how he was admitted to ISUr under the clearinghouse, but no matter.

A college can let in any student that they want. Who a college admits and who the NCAA lets play are 2 totally different issues. Teddy was announced as a non-qualifier the day ISUr made a press release. McIntosh was in the same boat in terms of eligibility. They put in a year, made grades, and now they can play.

[Cdizzle]

He didn't sit out. He wasn't eligible to play. I still don't understand how he was admitted to ISUr under the clearinghouse, but no matter.

A college can let in any student that they want.

Not without breaking their own admittance criteria, they can't. Again, I'm pretty over the whole ordeal, but I am still a little curious how everything actually happened.

[jwa123]

1. Wilkins/Stutz squabble led to Redbird upset

It wasn't a squabble - Wilkins racked him flagrantly. ISUR decided they couldn't beat WSU by playing basketball and started taking cheap shots.

3. Muller hired away Dana Ford.

Ford gave his word to Marshall he would stay 2 years, he broke that promise. Marshall told him he would no longer be able to give him a positive reference if called.

4. Post-game dust up following Kung Fu kick.

You got to love how ISUR melted down that game. It was ISUR coaches that went to the WSU locker room and tried instigating a fight. I think it got started when Coach Jans after the game greeted him with "Liar, Liar, Pants on fire"....

5. Teddy Hawkins signed with Illinois State
-Never understood the animosity since Gregg cut him loose long before he considered the Birds.

WSU didn't cut him loose - he was not a qualifier and he went to prep-school. WSU was offering him a scholarship but he decided he wanted to open up his recruitment again and Marshall said if you are not 100% bought into WSU - we don't want you. Hawkins thought he was going to either the Buckeyes, Nebraska, Iowa State or Tulsa - but he ended up at ISUR....LOL.

2nd there are league rules regarding this situation and then the league didn't go by them (since he had signed a letter of intent with a valley school and then went to another he had to sit out a year). They decided to ignore their own rules and Elgin pulled something out his butt because that Hawkins hadn't qualified he didn't need to sit out for anybody except WSU.. I guess the precedent was started when they let the wookie decommit his son to UNI and transfer him to CU.

UNI fans will know more about this than I but as I recall the de-commit was done by Ben Jacobsen. I think he said something to the effect that while they would have liked Dougie at UNI but now that his dad was head coach at Creighton the only honorable thing to do was to release him so he could play for his dad.

This speaks quite positively to the fact that Ben Jacobsen is a very classy guy.