2015 MVCfans.com - post season awards and honors

[rlh04d]

Save your venom for the people that actually voted for Ben instead of constantly spewing your crap here. Seriously email the voters and tell them they are wrong. We get it you think Gregg should have won. If he had I'd have been okay with that. But rehashing your argument a hundred times on a message board is pretty lame.

Which part of what I typed was venom?

You're right, expressing your opinion on a message board is pretty lame, guy currently expressing his opinion on a message board.

[uniftw]

It's an indictment because he won the award without winning the conference.

I've already pointed out in the past that since 1997, the winner of the conference wins the COY award almost exclusively. Two exceptions in nearly 20 years.

For Marshall not to win the award with a 16-1 record and one of the best MVC conference performances of all time is absolutely an indictment on Jacobson. It says that he did good enough, and no one really expects him to actually compete with Marshall anyway.

It's an expectations thing. Marshall's talent is factored into his expectations, and because Jacobson has lower expectations, he is credited more for performing well. Not as well as Marshall, but "good enough." It's like giving Moser the award for finishing several spots better than one could realistically expect from "that program" with "that coach."

Jacobson had an upper-classmen heavy team and failed to win the conference. Marshall had 8 newcomers on this year's team and finished with one of the best performances of all time.

None of that discredits Jacobson's performance. He did a fantastic job. However, no question, he did not do a better job than Marshall, and giving him an award for finishing second is a patronizing pat on the head to a coach who is too good for such platitudes.

Gregg Marshall won COY in 2013 with a 2nd place finish.

I'd bet you didn't post this same ridiculous rant back then that Gregg did not measure up to McDermott.

Let me guess, that was different.

It was...

That Creighton team only had 1 All American....this WSU has 2

[Cdizzle]

It's an indictment because he won the award without winning the conference.

I've already pointed out in the past that since 1997, the winner of the conference wins the COY award almost exclusively. Two exceptions in nearly 20 years.

For Marshall not to win the award with a 16-1 record and one of the best MVC conference performances of all time is absolutely an indictment on Jacobson. It says that he did good enough, and no one really expects him to actually compete with Marshall anyway.

It's an expectations thing. Marshall's talent is factored into his expectations, and because Jacobson has lower expectations, he is credited more for performing well. Not as well as Marshall, but "good enough." It's like giving Moser the award for finishing several spots better than one could realistically expect from "that program" with "that coach."

Jacobson had an upper-classmen heavy team and failed to win the conference. Marshall had 8 newcomers on this year's team and finished with one of the best performances of all time.

None of that discredits Jacobson's performance. He did a fantastic job. However, no question, he did not do a better job than Marshall, and giving him an award for finishing second is a patronizing pat on the head to a coach who is too good for such platitudes.

Gregg Marshall won COY in 2013 with a 2nd place finish.

I'd bet you didn't post this same ridiculous rant back then that Gregg did not measure up to McDermott.

Let me guess, that was different.

Good thinking. I look forward to watching UNI in the Final Four when they get all those starters back from injury.

Having said that, I would have had no problem with McDermott winning CoY in 2013.

[bigdawg]

Save your venom for the people that actually voted for Ben instead of constantly spewing your crap here. Seriously email the voters and tell them they are wrong. We get it you think Gregg should have won. If he had I'd have been okay with that. But rehashing your argument a hundred times on a message board is pretty lame.

Which part of what I typed was venom?

You're right, expressing your opinion on a message board is pretty lame, guy currently expressing his opinion on a message board.

Express your opinion - that's fine. But complain to the people who actually voted. Obviously you know more than they do. You look like a poor loser.

[rlh04d]

Gregg Marshall won COY in 2013 with a 2nd place finish.

I'd bet you didn't post this same ridiculous rant back then that Gregg did not measure up to McDermott.

Let me guess, that was different.

Not at all. Not sure where the thread about Coach of the Year previous is at now, but if you find my post about how the award nearly exclusively goes to the winner of the conference, I specifically said that I thought Marshall only won it that year because Creighton was leaving the conference and the voters penalized McDermott as COY because of it.

However, I could still play devil's advocate and make a legitimate argument for Marshall winning that year that doesn't rely on his own poor performance in a past year: He finished within one game of first place down several starters. There were extenuating circumstances that year.

I'm not an extenuating circumstances guy, so I would have still given it to McDermott. But at least I can play devil's advocate and make a legitimate argument for it. I can't see what UNI fan making an argument for Jacobson to win this award that doesn't rely on him doing a bad job last year.

Let me guess, you really thought you "got me" there.

[Cdizzle]

Save your venom for the people that actually voted for Ben instead of constantly spewing your crap here. Seriously email the voters and tell them they are wrong. We get it you think Gregg should have won. If he had I'd have been okay with that. But rehashing your argument a hundred times on a message board is pretty lame.

Which part of what I typed was venom?

You're right, expressing your opinion on a message board is pretty lame, guy currently expressing his opinion on a message board.

Express your opinion - that's fine. But complain to the people who actually voted. Obviously you know more than they do. You look like a poor loser.

More like Marshall looks like an un-appreciated winner.

[valleychamp]

So much salt in here.

My point was made before the award was named repeatedly.

Not one UNI fan can make an argument for Jacobson winning this award that doesn't entirely rely on his admission that he did a bad job last year. I'd love to hear any UNI fan argue a case for him that isn't based on low expectations that he set by failing last year.

But when every argument is based on performance relative to preseason voting, when Jacobson himself has argued that he did a poor job last year and preseason expectations are based on past performance, that's not an argument for Coach of the Year. That's an argument for "boy, it's sure swell that Moser got Loyola all the way to 6th place!"

End of the day, awards voting is silly, but I have a problem with people continuing to fail to recognize how little "preseason expectations" should matter in something like this. Ben Jacobson has been at UNI for nine years -- there is not one expectation on that program that he is not responsible for.

Congratulations to Ben Jacobson, Most Improved Coach of the Year, and second best coach in the conference, though

Expectations were not low. Everyone, almost universally, picked UNI to finish 2nd and contend for an NCAA bid in the preseason.

[rlh04d]

Save your venom for the people that actually voted for Ben instead of constantly spewing your crap here. Seriously email the voters and tell them they are wrong. We get it you think Gregg should have won. If he had I'd have been okay with that. But rehashing your argument a hundred times on a message board is pretty lame.

Which part of what I typed was venom?

You're right, expressing your opinion on a message board is pretty lame, guy currently expressing his opinion on a message board.

Express your opinion - that's fine. But complain to the people who actually voted. Obviously you know more than they do. You look like a poor loser.

So am I allowed to express my opinion here or not?

In the future, just let us know which opinions can be expressed in an articulate, mature way without "looking like a poor loser" and which can't. I'd like to know ahead of times which opinions can be expressed on a message board and which don't meet your seal of approval.

You look like a hypocrite.

[rlh04d]

Expectations were not low. Everyone, almost universally, picked UNI to finish 2nd and contend for an NCAA bid in the preseason.

And yet every argument from a UNI fan for why he deserved it rests on not getting any preseason AP votes.

He was picked to finish second and he finished second. Marshall was picked to finish 1st and finished first. Still don't see any legitimate argument for Jacobson here.

[bigdawg]

[quote="rlh04d]
So am I allowed to express my opinion here or not?

In the future, just let us know which opinions can be expressed in an articulate, mature way without "looking like a poor loser" and which can't. I'd like to know ahead of times which opinions can be expressed on a message board and which don't meet your seal of approval.

You look like a hypocrite.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

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