Where Did the Posters Go

[Wufan]

There are a number of Creighton fans that still lurk here and follow the valley, but every time we post we are reminded how lowly the Big East is, how bad a basketball team we are, and how pathetic it is that we still follow the valley. Perhaps if fans were not being run off the board, more would still be here.

Since I broke the ice though, great to see SIU moving in the right direction.

Also, if I was commissioner, it would be a good time to expand. getting some other teams in here allows for the top teams to get some more wins and raises the footprint of the conference, but that is just a Creighton fan talking.

Just so you know, I remember well the years that the Jay posters slammed the Shockers with criticism and jeered their every achievement. The messages were delivered with the haughtiest of arrogance.

In 2005, the Shockers were invited to the NIT. Jays unleashed an avalanche of disdain and called the NIT by the name of Nobody's Interested Tournament.

What goes around comes around. A few years latter, the Jays were in decline and playing in the NIT.

Now the Jays are playing a bunch of 200+ RPI teams to build a record so they can assert some measure of relevance and standing.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Every fan base has theirs. I also remember Jays fans admonishing their own for their behavior, but that is not here nor there. You wanted to know where the posters went, well some were run off, so there you go.

This post is not about Creighton so I won't address your other comments, other than to say we like our team, a lot.

I would not say CU fans were "run off".

[outpost]

Hi Ricky. Been here all along, as a viewer. First post in a few years, but I am still the original outpost.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Hi Ricky. Been here all along, as a viewer. First post in a few years, but I am still the original outpost.

As a Fightin' Texas Aggie might say, "Ooo ah!"

As a Fightin' Wichita State Shocker might say, "Glad you are here. Stay awhile Go Shocks."

[Redbirdgrad]

It's not what you say but how you say it.

Anyone else catch the irony of this statement coming from this poster?!?

Holy crap.

You'd be surprised at how many of us lurk Championz but just don't want to put up with the BS that runs rampant on here at times. Love the intellectual discussion that I read from various team's posters and I learn a lot about other teams from their insight and threads. But then there are those posters who exist where it's just like beating your head into a wall when dealing with them. That's how you turn posters in October and November into lurkers in December and January.

[Championz]

It's painfully obvious your whole point to signing up was to obsess over me.

Get over it or ask me out already.

[Redbirdgrad]

Get over it or ask me out already.

Ask you out?!? I think I'm finally seeing the intellectual level that I'm dealing with here.

To the others on here, I'd agree with what several others have stated above me as reasons this board is seeing less activity lately. I joined not to obsess, but to hopefully start putting in check certain mannerisms that were driving many away since the mods don't see it as a problem (to each their own). The majority of the MVC is frustrated with either where their program currently sits in the pecking order, or the direction in which it's headed. The MVC as a whole is frustrated with where the conference sits in the national pecking order, and it's a cycle which is hurting both the teams as well as the conference.

The only way out of this cycle is for quality teams to retain quality coaches. Without Wichita retaining Marshall this offseason we'd actually be in a bigger world of hurt right now. What we need is an actual rival to Wichita, and for that coach to be locked up long term as well too so the quality of recruiting could parallel Wichita's. Could be UNI, could be Evansville. Probably wont be others for a while. SIU's showing some fight, as is Indiana State, but we're a ways away from seeing anything on the level of Wichita. I'm talking 5 years out. In the meantime we have to schedule even better as a conference. Land a couple in state kids per team that can actually make a difference, and make the weakest link of the conference NOT a laughing stock. A lot of things have to go right to pull us out of this funk, but it's doable.

[glm38]

Get over it or ask me out already.

Ask you out?!? I think I'm finally seeing the intellectual level that I'm dealing with here.

To the others on here, I'd agree with what several others have stated above me as reasons this board is seeing less activity lately. I joined not to obsess, but to hopefully start putting in check certain mannerisms that were driving many away since the mods don't see it as a problem (to each their own). The majority of the MVC is frustrated with either where their program currently sits in the pecking order, or the direction in which it's headed. The MVC as a whole is frustrated with where the conference sits in the national pecking order, and it's a cycle which is hurting both the teams as well as the conference.

The only way out of this cycle is for quality teams to retain quality coaches. Without Wichita retaining Marshall this offseason we'd actually be in a bigger world of hurt right now. What we need is an actual rival to Wichita, and for that coach to be locked up long term as well too so the quality of recruiting could parallel Wichita's. Could be UNI, could be Evansville. Probably wont be others for a while. SIU's showing some fight, as is Indiana State, but we're a ways away from seeing anything on the level of Wichita. I'm talking 5 years out. In the meantime we have to schedule even better as a conference. Land a couple in state kids per team that can actually make a difference, and make the weakest link of the conference NOT a laughing stock. A lot of things have to go right to pull us out of this funk, but it's doable.

IMO UNI is already a decent rival to Wichita. No they aren't at Wichita's level. They don't have the resources for that. They won't compete for the Valley championship and be known nationally every year. But they have retained a top notch coach and I see them being a serious rival to the Shockers supremacy every few years.

I don't think it's possible to get another team to the Shockers level from a financial standpoint. IMO we need more teams like UNI. Teams that hire and retain excellent coaches, schedule up, etc. If the MVC had 3 or 4 teams at the UNI level to complement WSU - wow.

I long for the day that my alma mater gets to the level UNI has been at the last decade.

[BirdsEyeView]

Get over it or ask me out already.

Ask you out?!? I think I'm finally seeing the intellectual level that I'm dealing with here.

To the others on here, I'd agree with what several others have stated above me as reasons this board is seeing less activity lately. I joined not to obsess, but to hopefully start putting in check certain mannerisms that were driving many away since the mods don't see it as a problem (to each their own). The majority of the MVC is frustrated with either where their program currently sits in the pecking order, or the direction in which it's headed. The MVC as a whole is frustrated with where the conference sits in the national pecking order, and it's a cycle which is hurting both the teams as well as the conference.

The only way out of this cycle is for quality teams to retain quality coaches. Without Wichita retaining Marshall this offseason we'd actually be in a bigger world of hurt right now. What we need is an actual rival to Wichita, and for that coach to be locked up long term as well too so the quality of recruiting could parallel Wichita's. Could be UNI, could be Evansville. Probably wont be others for a while. SIU's showing some fight, as is Indiana State, but we're a ways away from seeing anything on the level of Wichita. I'm talking 5 years out. In the meantime we have to schedule even better as a conference. Land a couple in state kids per team that can actually make a difference, and make the weakest link of the conference NOT a laughing stock. A lot of things have to go right to pull us out of this funk, but it's doable.

Championz has to see a common theme here as multiple people from other fan bases (mainly ISUr given his pure hatred of ISUr), but doesn't. Biggest issue is his fellow WSU fans on here never actually call him out, just let him speak his jibberish that eventually drives fans off this board.

Per Quality Coaches Comments...

UNI - Ben Jacobson is very good
Indy St. - Greg Lansing might be the best coach in the league considering what he does with who he has

[Redbirdgrad]

Per Quality Coaches Comments...

UNI - Ben Jacobson is very good
Indy St. - Greg Lansing might be the best coach in the league considering what he does with who he has

Completely agree regarding Jacobson being very good. An obvious oversight on my part, but he's the quality of coach we need. Regarding the other poster saying UNI is a rival but not on the financial scale at Wichita, I don't think you quite have to be on the financial scale to have the impact on the court. I think if we start to see a little NCAA consistency from UNI (which can happen with Jacobson), you'll see a better quality level of recruit (probably more from out of state than in state in this unique case), and a true rise to the throne.

Lansing is who I'd want in the Valley if my life/job, etc were on the line and I had to win 1 game or a tourney. Again, consistency is key here. Keeping him and recruiting will be key to having the Trees play the winner of the play-in games instead of being in the play-in games themselves. I think their outlook is positive for sure.

Wish I could say the same for ISU, but we lack the talent where it's needed most. Give me a better 1 and a true 5 and ISU would be challenging WSU this year. But we are a dumb team (due to lack of PG) and can't defend the basket (which is why we press without the talent to do so). I still think you have to bring back Muller for until MM & TH's careers or over, as you have 2 1/2 more years with them to develop and a freshman that can become a force in the league. Find the right 1 and another solid big and you've got something. Change coaches and you start over. Which would set ISU back 10 years.

[BirdsEyeView]

At the end of the day, you need to have postseason success and that success needs to be in the NCAA Tournament. The Final 4 run by Wichita State (and last season) are invaluable to that school, both academically with increased applications/enrollment and athletically with better recruits showing interest. You can't beat the free marketing that the NCAA Tournament provides, regardless of the quality of coach once it happens.

If you can have one great season (or even just a great postseason), it can catapult your team into a new category. Gonzaga had major success and was able to maintain Mark Few to stay a "mid-major powerhouse" due to the sustainability of the coach after having success rather than running off to a big-time school. The exact same can be said for WSU who has billionaires to pay off Marshall to stick around.

The Valley needs to have somebody else who has a quality coach have a great postseason run in the NCAA Tournament and get that exposure....then keep that coach. Florida Gulf Coast had that run a few years back and got national exposure from all media outlets....increased enrollment, etc.....but then the coach left for USC causing no sustainability and back to mediocrity. Ditto for George Mason.

To have multiple challengers on a regular basis with Wichita, the above needs to happen. THEN THIS WEBSITE WILL GROW IN USAGE AND INTEREST AGAIN. Right now, it's 80% WSU fans posting...some are major homers.