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Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby hot nuts » February 18th, 2016, 2:27 pm

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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Ricardo del Rio » February 18th, 2016, 2:46 pm



Has he been smokin' that wacky tobaccy?
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Redhawk » February 18th, 2016, 3:12 pm

I think the author just wanted to have a Mid-Major on his list of 9.

It would not surprise me though to see the NCAA Tourney battle tested
group of Marshall, VanVleet, Baker and Wessel make another Final Four this year.
In fact I would love to see it!
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Redbirdgrad » February 18th, 2016, 3:28 pm

Redhawk wrote:I think the author just wanted to have a Mid-Major on his list of 9.

It would not surprise me though to see the NCAA Tourney battle tested
group of Marshall, VanVleet, Baker and Wessel make another Final Four this year.
In fact I would love to see it!


I'll absolutely be pulling for Wichita in the Big Dance this year, however I don't think they have it in them for another Final 4 run.

Their backcourt is experienced enough to win a game and maybe get to the Sweet 16, but once they run into an athletic team that can control the boards, I fear they'll be in trouble.

Again, I'll be pulling for them, but this year's team is a step back in my opinion.
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Stickboy46 » February 18th, 2016, 4:19 pm

Redbirdgrad wrote:
Redhawk wrote:I think the author just wanted to have a Mid-Major on his list of 9.

It would not surprise me though to see the NCAA Tourney battle tested
group of Marshall, VanVleet, Baker and Wessel make another Final Four this year.
In fact I would love to see it!


I'll absolutely be pulling for Wichita in the Big Dance this year, however I don't think they have it in them for another Final 4 run.

Their backcourt is experienced enough to win a game and maybe get to the Sweet 16, but once they run into an athletic team that can control the boards, I fear they'll be in trouble.

Again, I'll be pulling for them, but this year's team is a step back in my opinion.


It all depends. WSU has shooters. Van Vleet, Baker, Frankamp, Brown, McDuffie and even Wessel have all shown throughout their careers that they are capable of being deep threats. They definitely aren't consistent but if they any combo of 2 to 3 of those can remain hot for 6 games .. anything can happen. Boards don't matter if you are hitting. Though I do think Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint. They may not get a ton of boards, but they do open up the lane so our guards can.

Consistency is the big unknown. Will our shots (and offense) just disappear like they did against UNI and ISU? If so, we are an easy out.
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Redbirdgrad » February 18th, 2016, 4:52 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
It all depends. WSU has shooters. Van Vleet, Baker, Frankamp, Brown, McDuffie and even Wessel have all shown throughout their careers that they are capable of being deep threats. They definitely aren't consistent but if they any combo of 2 to 3 of those can remain hot for 6 games .. anything can happen. Boards don't matter if you are hitting. Though I do think Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint. They may not get a ton of boards, but they do open up the lane so our guards can.

Consistency is the big unknown. Will our shots (and offense) just disappear like they did against UNI and ISU? If so, we are an easy out.


Agreed Stickboy, WSU definitely has the shooters and that's why I think they'll be able to pick up a win or two in the tourney.

I don't think the shots just disappeared as much as athletic players guarding them gave them problems though. Sure, they were colder than normal on the wide open ones (uncharacteristically so during 2nd half of ISU game), but it just seems like this year shot creation is taking more effort than in the past.

Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint in the Valley. But that's a different story once you run into a Power Conference opponent. I just think athleticism gives Wichita fits the way their current roster is constructed. Baker and Wessel turn into liabilities instead of assets.
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Stickboy46 » February 18th, 2016, 5:41 pm

Redbirdgrad wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:
It all depends. WSU has shooters. Van Vleet, Baker, Frankamp, Brown, McDuffie and even Wessel have all shown throughout their careers that they are capable of being deep threats. They definitely aren't consistent but if they any combo of 2 to 3 of those can remain hot for 6 games .. anything can happen. Boards don't matter if you are hitting. Though I do think Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint. They may not get a ton of boards, but they do open up the lane so our guards can.

Consistency is the big unknown. Will our shots (and offense) just disappear like they did against UNI and ISU? If so, we are an easy out.


Agreed Stickboy, WSU definitely has the shooters and that's why I think they'll be able to pick up a win or two in the tourney.

I don't think the shots just disappeared as much as athletic players guarding them gave them problems though. Sure, they were colder than normal on the wide open ones (uncharacteristically so during 2nd half of ISU game), but it just seems like this year shot creation is taking more effort than in the past.

Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint in the Valley. But that's a different story once you run into a Power Conference opponent. I just think athleticism gives Wichita fits the way their current roster is constructed. Baker and Wessel turn into liabilities instead of assets.


Morris and Grady actually did pretty damn good against Poeltl, Zimmerman, and Mock. Those are 3 of the better big men in the country. Foul trouble is what kills them. If we have to bring in Nurger or Wamukota it gets very hit and miss.

Baker is in no way a liability. Wessel definitely can be though.
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Redbirdgrad » February 18th, 2016, 5:49 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
Redbirdgrad wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:
It all depends. WSU has shooters. Van Vleet, Baker, Frankamp, Brown, McDuffie and even Wessel have all shown throughout their careers that they are capable of being deep threats. They definitely aren't consistent but if they any combo of 2 to 3 of those can remain hot for 6 games .. anything can happen. Boards don't matter if you are hitting. Though I do think Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint. They may not get a ton of boards, but they do open up the lane so our guards can.

Consistency is the big unknown. Will our shots (and offense) just disappear like they did against UNI and ISU? If so, we are an easy out.


Agreed Stickboy, WSU definitely has the shooters and that's why I think they'll be able to pick up a win or two in the tourney.

I don't think the shots just disappeared as much as athletic players guarding them gave them problems though. Sure, they were colder than normal on the wide open ones (uncharacteristically so during 2nd half of ISU game), but it just seems like this year shot creation is taking more effort than in the past.

Morris/Grady do a good job controlling the paint in the Valley. But that's a different story once you run into a Power Conference opponent. I just think athleticism gives Wichita fits the way their current roster is constructed. Baker and Wessel turn into liabilities instead of assets.


Morris and Grady actually did pretty damn good against Poeltl, Zimmerman, and Mock. Those are 3 of the better big men in the country. Foul trouble is what kills them. If we have to bring in Nurger or Wamukota it gets very hit and miss.

Baker is in no way a liability. Wessel definitely can be though.


I'd be curious to see Bakers efficiency rating and other advanced stats the past 10 games or so. Just hasn't seemed like the Baker we are all used to seeing.
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby Redhawk » February 18th, 2016, 9:47 pm

Baker is in no way a liability against more athletic teams.
Would love to have him playing 2 guard for the Redbirds!

A lot of Redbirds fans are in love with Tony Wills because he is a so called
"Glue guy"....okay? In college basketball your 2 guard needs to be a stud
so I would love to have an actual really good scorer like Baker on my team!
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Re: Chris Chase Still Believes in the Shockers

Postby ShoxNAwe » February 18th, 2016, 10:16 pm

Ask the 2014-15 Kentucky Wildcats whether Baker is a player or not. If I remember correctly they said he was a "bad, bad boy".
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