MVC non conference '16-'17 schedules being released

[WSUShox88]

How are we defining "good" or "solid"? By clearing a Missouri Valley Conference play-in round?

[unipanther99]

How are we defining "good" or "solid"? By clearing a Missouri Valley Conference play-in round?

In the 13 years since UNI's last PIG, they have 7 tournament appearances, and have never failed to finish in the top half of the conference, and have never had an overall losing record, averaging over 21 wins a year during that time. I think that alone qualifies as having at least a "solid" basketball program. Sprinkled throughout that run are some obvious examples of "good," and occasionally very good, all well known.

Do you have a different definition?

[WSUShox88]

Are you having a trouble comprehending what I asked? You said every year for the last 12 years UNI has been either "solid" or "good". I then asked if not being in a Missouri Valley Conference play-in game the bar for being "solid" or "good". You responded with a collective answer, not an individual answer. If you wanna go year-by-year, there are several results there where it would be questionable to call UNI "solid". There were several years where UNI finished .500 in the conference. There was a stretch where UNI didn't win a game in St. Louis for quite a while. In 2014, UNI finished with an overall record of 16-15. Would an outside observer call any of that "solid" or "good"? No they wouldn't.

Over the course of that period, UNI has had a solid program, but they haven't been solid every single year, unless by your definition, solid means clearing a Missouri Valley Conference play-in game. And if that was the case, I don't think anybody would be able to take you seriously, especially from an outside national perspective.

[unipanther99]

2013-14 was a disappointing year, but we still finished alone in 3rd place that year. If you have to finish runner-up to be considered solid, I think we have different definitions of that word.

[Wufan]

Are you having a trouble comprehending what I asked? You said every year for the last 12 years UNI has been either "solid" or "good". I then asked if not being in a Missouri Valley Conference play-in game the bar for being "solid" or "good". You responded with a collective answer, not an individual answer. If you wanna go year-by-year, there are several results there where it would be questionable to call UNI "solid". There were several years where UNI finished .500 in the conference. There was a stretch where UNI didn't win a game in St. Louis for quite a while. In 2014, UNI finished with an overall record of 16-15. Would an outside observer call any of that "solid" or "good"? No they wouldn't.

Over the course of that period, UNI has had a solid program, but they haven't been solid every single year, unless by your definition, solid means clearing a Missouri Valley Conference play-in game. And if that was the case, I don't think anybody would be able to take you seriously, especially from an outside national perspective.

Quit b1tching about semantics. Ben Jacobson has finished in the top half of the conference and been .500 or better EVERY (X10) year. Fourth or better for the last eight years. That's solid in my book.

Year, RPI

2016, 70
2015, 11
2014, 112
2013, 80
2012, 72
2011, 109
2010, 17
2009, 59
2008, 131
2007, 84

[WSUShox88]

You're getting too much into semantics unipanther99. 3rd in the Valley doesn't mean a whole lot on the national picture. That's why I keep asking for your definition of solid or good. You don't seem to have an answer for it. Is solid being on the NIT bubble? The NCAA bubble? Just winning more than you lose? Finishing 3rd in the Valley but ignoring the non-conference? I just want to know what "solid" means.

And thanks wufan for the butter treatment. Once again, I stated UNI has been a solid program. But UNI hasn't been solid every single year since their last play-in game, unless other people have different definitions to what "solid" means.

Geesh. It's not that hard to admit that UNI hasn't been perfect for the last decade.

[unipanther99]

Nope, not at all hard to admit UNI hasn't been perfect for the past decade.

[PantherSigEp]

Wait, so it's "semantics" for making a general statement regarding a program over a largely general span of time...but if you nit-pick the definition of that statement by looking at every single year of that general time span it isn't?

[Cdizzle]

I think you guys all got lost in the weeds. The real point --and I think we can all agree on this-- is that Evansville does, in fact, suck.

[Wufan]

And thanks wufan for the butter treatment. Once again, I stated UNI has been a solid program. But UNI hasn't been solid every single year since their last play-in game, unless other people have different definitions to what "solid" means.

I would say solid every year. Top 150 is solid, and they've done that every year. Now Evansville; I think they need to be top 100 to be considered solid.