MVC POY

[Redbirdgrad]

I'm not saying the winner of the league gets the auto COY, but if a team wins the league by 3-4 games, then it better be a damn good reason to give it to anyone else. A 9th to 5th jump isn't that. A 9th to 2nd and an NIT/NCAA berth, maybe. Expecting and rewarding mediocrity is a problem in this league (not by all, but enough)

I guess maybe read my post next time?

I'm not saying a 9th to 5th should get the nod either. I never said that. I said a 9th to 2nd or 3rd should.

We all know emotions led to Barry getting it last year... And it was probably incorrect to do so, but that's exactly what happened.



And to whoever said we've "lowered our expectations" and "welcome to the Valley", you need to wake up. The Valley has been here long before Wichita became relevant and will be around long after you've fallen from grace. We're discussing qualifications for a COY, not the pedigree of teams. Stop trying to make an argument what it's not. My perception is that COY should be the individual who coaches the team that garners the greatest delta from expectations heading into the year.

Team of the year, player of the year, etc. can go to the "best team, and player" respectively.

But coach of the year? Give me the guy who gets his group to a level that nobody expected.

[tribecalledquest]

I'm not saying the winner of the league gets the auto COY, but if a team wins the league by 3-4 games, then it better be a damn good reason to give it to anyone else. A 9th to 5th jump isn't that. A 9th to 2nd and an NIT/NCAA berth, maybe. Expecting and rewarding mediocrity is a problem in this league (not by all, but enough)

I guess maybe read my post next time?

I'm not saying a 9th to 5th should get the nod either. I never said that. I said a 9th to 2nd or 3rd should.

We all know emotions led to Barry getting it last year... And it was probably incorrect to do so, but that's exactly what happened.



And to whoever said we've "lowered our expectations" and "welcome to the Valley", you need to wake up. The Valley has been here long before Wichita became relevant and will be around long after you've fallen from grace. We're discussing qualifications for a COY, not the pedigree of teams. Stop trying to make an argument what it's not. My perception is that COY should be the individual who coaches the team that garners the greatest delta from expectations heading into the year.

Team of the year, player of the year, etc. can go to the "best team, and player" respectively.

But coach of the year? Give me the guy who gets his group to a level that nobody expected.

Why should a coach be "punished", so to speak, for having huge expectations and then meeting them?

[Cdizzle]

I'm not saying the winner of the league gets the auto COY, but if a team wins the league by 3-4 games, then it better be a damn good reason to give it to anyone else. A 9th to 5th jump isn't that. A 9th to 2nd and an NIT/NCAA berth, maybe. Expecting and rewarding mediocrity is a problem in this league (not by all, but enough)

I guess maybe read my post next time?

I'm not saying a 9th to 5th should get the nod either. I never said that. I said a 9th to 2nd or 3rd should.

We all know emotions led to Barry getting it last year... And it was probably incorrect to do so, but that's exactly what happened.



And to whoever said we've "lowered our expectations" and "welcome to the Valley", you need to wake up. The Valley has been here long before Wichita became relevant and will be around long after you've fallen from grace. We're discussing qualifications for a COY, not the pedigree of teams. Stop trying to make an argument what it's not. My perception is that COY should be the individual who coaches the team that garners the greatest delta from expectations heading into the year.

Team of the year, player of the year, etc. can go to the "best team, and player" respectively.

But coach of the year? Give me the guy who gets his group to a level that nobody expected.

Why should a coach be "punished", so to speak, for having huge expectations and then meeting them?

Because Valley. Some just don't want to admit it. The same thing happened in baseball for 20 years.

[Redbirdgrad]

No coach is being "punished" at all.

Why is not winning an award now being viewed as a "punishment"? Just because you're deserving of the award (as I think EVERYONE is in agreement Marshall has been lately), doesn't mean there's someone not else more deserving.

Look at the ACC in the past 10 years. 4 of the past 10 years the best team's coach didn't win COY.

It's not just a Valley thing... it's everywhere. Stop with the "Valley" stuff. It's ridiculous.

[tribecalledquest]

No coach is being "punished" at all.

Why is not winning an award now being viewed as a "punishment"? Just because you're deserving of the award (as I think EVERYONE is in agreement Marshall has been lately), doesn't mean there's someone not else more deserving.

Look at the ACC in the past 10 years. 4 of the past 10 years the best team's coach didn't win COY.

It's not just a Valley thing... it's everywhere. Stop with the "Valley" stuff. It's ridiculous.

And Im not just talking about the Valley. It should be the same everywhere.

COY awards should start with the coach who won the league. If you can't find a reason why he shouldn't win it---then he wins it.

[UEACES80]

Wow the defense of the Coach Marshall on here not winning the COY is getting old - yawn!

Maybe some of the voters (coaches, media & SID's) don't care much for Marshall and simply decided to stick it to him. Fair or not that is likely what happened IMO.

[Cdizzle]

Look at the ACC in the past 10 years. 4 of the past 10 years the best team's coach didn't win COY.

I didn't bother to look up the actual winners and their teams' stories. However, only twice in those 10 years did a team win by more than 1 game, both at 2 games. It's not a useful comparison.

[Cdizzle]

Maybe some of the voters (coaches, media & SID's) don't care much for Marshall and simply decided to stick it to him. Fair or not that is likely what happened IMO.

Very possible. Which only proves my point.

[Stickboy46]

No coach is being "punished" at all.

Why is not winning an award now being viewed as a "punishment"? Just because you're deserving of the award (as I think EVERYONE is in agreement Marshall has been lately), doesn't mean there's someone not else more deserving.

Look at the ACC in the past 10 years. 4 of the past 10 years the best team's coach didn't win COY.

It's not just a Valley thing... it's everywhere. Stop with the "Valley" stuff. It's ridiculous.

The problem is when someone less deserving wins it. You can't go off of ONLY delta otherwise the preseason #1 team is eliminated. There has to be a basic understand that you have to make your team relevant ON A NATIONAL SCALE. IMO if you team doesn't even qualify for a major post season berth (NCAA/NIT really) then you aren't qualified for COY. You didn't do well enough recruiting/coaching to build a team that was relevant. The exception to this rule is coaches on the first or second year at a team. So yet again, if Wardle got Bradley to the point this year where they were competing for the Valley title or even 2nd place, that's a heck of job even if post season isn't there. When you are in your 4th or 5th year, you didn't do a good enough job recruiting if you can't make the post season. I don't care how bad people thought you were going to be and how much you exceeded expectations.

You list the ACC as an example. Here are your winners and their results
2016-Jim Larranaga, 13-5 Conference, NCAA Tourney
2015 - Tony Bennett, 16-2 Conference, NCAA
2014 - Tony Bennett, 16 -2 Conference, NCAA
2013 - Jim Larranaga - 15-3 Conference, NCAA
2012 - Leonard Hamilton - 12-4 Conference, NCAA
2011 - Roy Williams - 14-2 Conference, NCAA
2010 - Gary Williams - 13-3 Conference, NCAA
2009 - Leonard Hamilton - 10-6 Conference, NCAA
2008 - Seth Greenberg - 9-7 Conference, NIT
2007 - Dave Leitao, 11-5 Conference, NCAA

So there was exactly ONE instance of a team that didn't make the NCAA that the coach won COY and he still made the NIT. Also that year, the top two teams were separated by only 1 game.

[Stickboy46]

Wow the defense of the Coach Marshall on here not winning the COY is getting old - yawn!

Maybe some of the voters (coaches, media & SID's) don't care much for Marshall and simply decided to stick it to him. Fair or not that is likely what happened IMO.

And each and everyone one of them that "stuck it to him" should lose their voting privileges and possibly their jobs depending on who it was. That's not doing your job correctly and making whoever you work for look amateur.

You know what also is getting old? People rewarding mediocrity because they feel they need to share the prizes around. This applies to much more than just COY voting. "It ok you didn't win but you did your best and its better than i thought"