Who wins in St. Louis

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The Panthers have been good lately, just as good as WSU/ISU.

Umm. No. I mean, just watching the teams play says 'no'. And so does ISU beating UNI without that much trouble, sans McIntosh.

This .. UNI is the best of the bottom of the league. They aren't close to being as good as ISU, let alone WSU. WSU is peaking right now. ISU is battling out wins (and still blowing some out) without one of their best players. We are having a discussion about a team that is squeaking out wins against 150+ competition. Several of them were gifted and very few were more than a couple of possession games. As said earlier by someone else. They are NOT last years UNI. Last year's UNI had wins over REALLY good competition. UNI hasn't proven they can beat anyone better than about 130 in the RPI.

Yeah. UNI isn't last year's UNI.
1. Wes Washpun was a truly unique player. Offensively, he could score by himself one-on two. He nearly tied for the year in blocked shots, many which were against bigs around the rim. We do not have a PG who can do that on his best day.
2. Matt Bohannon, Wyatt Lohaus, Jeremy Morgan, Paul Jesperson, etc. were legitimate 3-point threats. Paul took and made a lot from 4 feet beyond the arc. The 3-point shooting spread the floor for Wes to drive.

To win in St. Louis, this year's UNI will need to find another level of defense beyond last year's team.
AND we'll need to start hitting from 3. AND Jeremy, Juwan, and Klint will need to have their best drive-score games. Will be tough. As a UNI fan, I'm hopeful, but bracing for disappointment.

[2livewu]

Don't get the people bagging on UNI not helping the conference. At least they have NCAA wins. At least they play a schedule year in and year out. Sure they Evansville things up now and then, but sheesh, we could have another Drake or Bradley instead.

In this conference UNI basketball is hardly the problem. Now, are a good number of their fans delusional? No doubt. There is a huge gap between ISU/WSU and everyone else. UNI has just won some close games this season to separate themselves from the other poor. It could just as easily been them, BUT they have superior coaching.

3 of the top 5 guys in minutes/game in the Valley are Ashton, Morgan and Carlson. They basically don't come out of the game. Maybe it's not that big a thing for 4th and 5th year guys during the season, but it's going to wear on you Fri, Sat, Sun in March. Especially when you're facing superior athletes, which UNI will. That's the biggest reason (other than they just aren't as good as ISU and WSU) I don't think they have a reasonable shot at winning.

For the record, I think ISU will win. I think McIntosh will get back and their bench will be better than ever. They are by far the best defensive team in the conference and by then they'll have enough depth. If they don't get McIntosh back, then it's WSU.

[Aargh]

UNI physical? Koch? Carlson?

Defending Doyle, Ingram, and Custer is exhausting. Defending Mrogam, Koch, and Carlson> You don't even need to defend Carlson. Let him shoot from 3. He's so slow driving to the basket that there's plenty of time for a defender to get outside the restricted arc.

I've watched several UNI games. There's ugly ball and there's bad basketball. Every UNI game I've seen has been both ugly and bad. Even when they've been on their current "winning" streak. UNI is certainly playing better than when they lost to Bradley, but how could they avoid playing better than that? If being better than a team that lost to Bradley is an accomplishment, your team is in big trouble.

One thing UNI has going for it is that MVC officials have not been quick to recognize a flop, and Jacobsen must spend a lot of practice time teaching it. Probably had to dig Fosbury out of retirement to help teach it.

[Aargh]

the inspiration for a UNI basketball practice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnVv0RkiG4U

[uniftw]

UNI physical? Koch? Carlson?

Defending Doyle, Ingram, and Custer is exhausting. Defending Mrogam, Koch, and Carlson> You don't even need to defend Carlson. Let him shoot from 3. He's so slow driving to the basket that there's plenty of time for a defender to get outside the restricted arc.

I've watched several UNI games. There's ugly ball and there's bad basketball. Every UNI game I've seen has been both ugly and bad. Even when they've been on their current "winning" streak. UNI is certainly playing better than when they lost to Bradley, but how could they avoid playing better than that? If being better than a team that lost to Bradley is an accomplishment, your team is in big trouble.

One thing UNI has going for it is that MVC officials have not been quick to recognize a flop, and Jacobsen must spend a lot of practice time teaching it. Probably had to dig Fosbury out of retirement to help teach it.

Why did you go "winning" streak?

UNI is beating the same competition that WSU is on their "winning" streak.

[BCPanther]

I couldn't agree more. I would much rather see Wichita face UNI in the semis then either Missouri State or Loyola.

This league is a coach's league, always has been and always will be. Wichita's run the last few years doesn't happen with the same talent if Gregg isn't as good on the bench as he is. A lot of people see the guys he runs out there and thinks it would be easy to have the success, it isn't. Gregg is the second best Xs and Os guy in the league to go along with being the best recruiter. That's a dangerous, dangerous combo. I'd take that over Jake being the best Xs and Os guy (which he is) and at best a middle of the pack recruiter (which he is).

You'd much rather see Porter or Lusk than Ben Jacobson with less than a day's prep.

[Stickboy46]

UNI physical? Koch? Carlson?

Defending Doyle, Ingram, and Custer is exhausting. Defending Mrogam, Koch, and Carlson> You don't even need to defend Carlson. Let him shoot from 3. He's so slow driving to the basket that there's plenty of time for a defender to get outside the restricted arc.

I've watched several UNI games. There's ugly ball and there's bad basketball. Every UNI game I've seen has been both ugly and bad. Even when they've been on their current "winning" streak. UNI is certainly playing better than when they lost to Bradley, but how could they avoid playing better than that? If being better than a team that lost to Bradley is an accomplishment, your team is in big trouble.

One thing UNI has going for it is that MVC officials have not been quick to recognize a flop, and Jacobsen must spend a lot of practice time teaching it. Probably had to dig Fosbury out of retirement to help teach it.

Why did you go "winning" streak?

UNI is beating the same competition that WSU is on their "winning" streak.

UNI beat ISU? .. and by 40 points?? And they beat the rest by an average of ~20 points? I must have missed that.

[uniftw]

UNI physical? Koch? Carlson?

Defending Doyle, Ingram, and Custer is exhausting. Defending Mrogam, Koch, and Carlson> You don't even need to defend Carlson. Let him shoot from 3. He's so slow driving to the basket that there's plenty of time for a defender to get outside the restricted arc.

I've watched several UNI games. There's ugly ball and there's bad basketball. Every UNI game I've seen has been both ugly and bad. Even when they've been on their current "winning" streak. UNI is certainly playing better than when they lost to Bradley, but how could they avoid playing better than that? If being better than a team that lost to Bradley is an accomplishment, your team is in big trouble.

One thing UNI has going for it is that MVC officials have not been quick to recognize a flop, and Jacobsen must spend a lot of practice time teaching it. Probably had to dig Fosbury out of retirement to help teach it.

What has hurt UNI a ton this year is Lohaus's ankle injury. He's played in just 6 games this year (UNI is 4-2 in those games). While he wasn't shooting great, that would have some around a bit. What he would give UNI right now is another veteran to run the point. His loss is largely over looked by almost everyone.

Thankfully he'll get a medical RS (should) and instead of next year being his senior year he'll have 2 years left.

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UNI physical? Koch? Carlson?

Defending Doyle, Ingram, and Custer is exhausting. Defending Mrogam, Koch, and Carlson> You don't even need to defend Carlson. Let him shoot from 3. He's so slow driving to the basket that there's plenty of time for a defender to get outside the restricted arc.

I've watched several UNI games. There's ugly ball and there's bad basketball. Every UNI game I've seen has been both ugly and bad. Even when they've been on their current "winning" streak. UNI is certainly playing better than when they lost to Bradley, but how could they avoid playing better than that? If being better than a team that lost to Bradley is an accomplishment, your team is in big trouble.

One thing UNI has going for it is that MVC officials have not been quick to recognize a flop, and Jacobsen must spend a lot of practice time teaching it. Probably had to dig Fosbury out of retirement to help teach it.

Why did you go "winning" streak?

UNI is beating the same competition that WSU is on their "winning" streak.

UNI beat ISU .. and by 40 points?? I must have missed that.

So you have one better win that UNI.

Congrats on beating up on the same garbage that UNI has....

[Stickboy46]

Why did you go "winning" streak?

UNI is beating the same competition that WSU is on their "winning" streak.

UNI beat ISU .. and by 40 points?? I must have missed that.

So you have one better win that UNI.

Congrats on beating up on the same garbage that UNI has....

You were too fast for my edit .. Your impressive 1-5 point victories sure put WSU's 20-30 point blowouts to shame. Very equal wins.