Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

[squirrel]

First of all, if Texas shows any inclination for joining a new league, I can see the Big Ten jumping in and making a play for them.

If you're the BXII and you're left with Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, TCU, Texas Tech, and West Virginia, you're not a very good football league, which works to your advantage as none of the pickings are going to be very good football adds. So it becomes interesting if they target market and basketball and hope some programs catch fire in football.

The one obvious football add is Boise State (who has also emerged a bit on the basketball side).

SMU and Houston are the candidates in the AAC.

But the question for me becomes how big a wildcard a school like UNLV might be, for name and basketball rep alone.

They might also want to get in on the Colorado market and eye a Colorado State.


If anything, the Texas/OU news signifies we're getting really close to a closed, 64-team division with 4 16-team super-conferences.

One would assume when that happens, the Big XII is the P5 conference that becomes a casualty. So, if there is other movement to add in the other 4 leagues, a move to the Big XII may not be all that attractive to a potential new member anyway.

[Red]

Fascinating times. Kansas and Iowa State are back to where they were a decade ago the last time realignment occurred. If OK and Texas go to the SEC, they are the potential biggest losers.

[BCPanther]

Kansas State is the one in real trouble. They're basically a community college and that ain't gonna fly in the Big Ten or Pac 12.

TCU and Baylor are in trouble due to their religious ties.

Basketball is going to save Kansas.

Iowa State remains Iowa State and probably hangs on by the skin of their teeth because they've got the best athletic director in the country.

I don't see any ramifications for the Valley. We stay the course and add UT-A and somebody else (Belmont, ORU, Murray). I will say ORU picked a fantastic time to be relevant again and Tulsa is really growing.

[Red]

How many of the remaining Big 12 schools will still be in the league in 5 years? Kansas has basketball history but the rest of their sports suck and football is an abomination. TCU is in a great location and has been successful in football which is about all that matters, but I have a hard time seeing the PAC12 wanting to add that far east. Iowa State and K-State are screwed big time. Probably the same for Tech and Baylor (who happens to have just won the NCAA tourney).

[UEACES80]

My take is going to be rather long but I get to the Mo Valley at the end.

Big10 is exclusively AAU schools (elite educational institutions) the only exception is Nebraska and they were a AAU school when they joined Big10 but got booted out. Texas is a AAU school but Oklahoma is not. Kansas and Iowa State are AAU schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associati ... iversities

If Big10 can get Texas they likely bring Kansas along for the ride. TAMU doesn't want Texas in the SEC and will cry foul very loud. Oklahoma State might go to OK legislature to block OU leaving. Now to what more likely happens.

Texas and OU buy out their Big12 obligations somewhere near $70-75M each and join the SEC. SEC tells TAMU to suck it up and be big boys but they will still cry. Big10 can go many ways but Kansas and Iowa State really don't bring that much to the Big10 other than KU hoops. Really out of the box they take Kansas and look at Pitt (AAU) or even Virginia (AAU) - they have poached the ACC before with Maryland. Colorado of Pac12 (AAU) could be a poach target as well but Big10 and PAC12 seem to be relatively friendly. The outer space look is they cross border and look to add the Univ of Toronto (AAU). Buffalo surprisingly to me is a AAU accredited as well so even a Buffalo & Toronto combo (extremely unlikely but these are crazy times). Let's just go simple and say the Big10 adds Kansas and Iowa State only due to the AAU elite status.

None of Baylor, K-State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech or WVU are AAU affiliated. Thus Big12 down to 6 schools - they raid American and gobble up TV markets with Houston, SMU (Dallas), Memphis and Cincinnati so that's 10 and add lesser teams but sizable TV / recruiting markets with Tulsa and Tulane to get to 12. UCF and USF jump to ACC to get them to 16 football schools (with ND as a non football member). Now the Pac12 is looking around and has no choices as like the Big10 they are rather snobbish about the AAU membership with the only non members being ASU, Org State and Wash State. So they stand pat. Big12 not as hung up on the academic side of things is still looking for more teams. Then the Mt West raid starts and in steps Boise State, Colorado State, UNLV and San Diego State.

Net thus far:
ACC +2 (UCF & USF) = 16
Big10 +2 (Iowa State & Kansas) = 16
SEC +2 (Oklahoma & Texas) = 16
Big12 -4 (all above) then add 10 (Boise State, Cincy, Colorado State, Houston, Memphis, UNLV, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane & Tulsa) = 16
Pac12 - N/A
Mt West (-4) Boise State, Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State) - they will scrambling to fill slots such NM State, and Dakotas but I am not interested much about them.
American (-8) (Cincy, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF & USF) what is left only East Carolina, (Navy Football), Temple and Wichita State (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

Not sure where ECU turns likely the CUSA or SunBelt, Navy goes Independent, Temple maybe can get into Big East and drop football or go to CUSA but Wichita our old friends still left out - choices are crawl back to the Mo Valley or CUSA - are they stuck up enough to try independent? I say no and the MVC takes them back with Murray State to get the MVC to 12.

[TBS_20]

When it comes to surviving to become a breakaway from he NCAA conference and make billions trust me when I tell you AAU designation WILL NOT even remotely be a deciding factor going forward for the B1G.

[UEACES80]

When it comes to surviving to become a breakaway from he NCAA conference and make billions trust me when I tell you AAU designation WILL NOT even remotely be a deciding factor going forward for the B1G.

Well we simply disagree on this as all Big10 schools are AAU other than Nebraska who was stripped of their affiliation after joining the Big10 with it; not to say they wouldn't consider a school who provided proof they were striding towards obtaining such classification. Texas has it so they fill the box with a checkmark - a Texas / Oklahoma combo would be great for any conference. I think the academia that are the school Chancellors, Presidents, Regents, Provosts or whatever the various titles are can be quite stuck upon something they feel is elite and more important than the bottom-line of their respective schools. Most of us on here realize this just them being pinheads and not respecting what sports can provide to a university the old tug of war between academics and athletics. Big10 and Pac12 are the two P5's that lean more heavily towards academics. JMHO

[TBS_20]

When it comes to surviving to become a breakaway from he NCAA conference and make billions trust me when I tell you AAU designation WILL NOT even remotely be a deciding factor going forward for the B1G.

Well we simply disagree on this as all Big10 schools are AAU other than Nebraska who was stripped of their affiliation after joining the Big10 with it; not to say they wouldn't consider a school who provided proof they were striding towards obtaining such classification. Texas has it so they fill the box with a checkmark - a Texas / Oklahoma combo would be great for any conference. I think the academia that are the school Chancellors, Presidents, Regents, Provosts or whatever the various titles are can be quite stuck upon something they feel is elite and more important than the bottom-line of their respective schools. Most of us on here realize this just them being pinheads and not respecting what sports can provide to a university the old tug of war between academics and athletics. Big10 and Pac12 are the two P5's that lean more heavily towards academics. JMHO

This isnt normal circumstances. The SEC is building a super conference to break away from the NCAA. The others will have to follow suit to survive. Survival comes before AAU. Considering it seems there eventually will be 4 conferences of 20 there is very little chance the B1G can add 6 AAU schools that are high caliber. I mean maybe there is a chance of say, Kansas, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Missouri, Iowa State or someone like Vanderbilt or Oklahoma Stata (no idea how many of these are AAU but I imagine all are except OSU). That would require the rumor about CLemson and FSU leaving the ACC for the SEC, too. Maybe if the B1G can arrange a miricle like above the rumor about TOSU and Michigan going to the SEC wont happen. if duke, north carolina, fsu, and clemson all leave the acc the B1G actually has a great shot at notre dame.

[Red]

When it comes to surviving to become a breakaway from he NCAA conference and make billions trust me when I tell you AAU designation WILL NOT even remotely be a deciding factor going forward for the B1G.

Well we simply disagree on this as all Big10 schools are AAU other than Nebraska who was stripped of their affiliation after joining the Big10 with it; not to say they wouldn't consider a school who provided proof they were striding towards obtaining such classification. Texas has it so they fill the box with a checkmark - a Texas / Oklahoma combo would be great for any conference. I think the academia that are the school Chancellors, Presidents, Regents, Provosts or whatever the various titles are can be quite stuck upon something they feel is elite and more important than the bottom-line of their respective schools. Most of us on here realize this just them being pinheads and not respecting what sports can provide to a university the old tug of war between academics and athletics. Big10 and Pac12 are the two P5's that lean more heavily towards academics. JMHO

This isnt normal circumstances. The SEC is building a super conference to break away from the NCAA. The others will have to follow suit to survive. Survival comes before AAU. Considering it seems there eventually will be 4 conferences of 20 there is very little chance the B1G can add 6 AAU schools that are high caliber. I mean maybe there is a chance of say, Kansas, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Missouri, Iowa State or someone like Vanderbilt or Oklahoma Stata (no idea how many of these are AAU but I imagine all are except OSU). That would require the rumor about CLemson and FSU leaving the ACC for the SEC, too. Maybe if the B1G can arrange a miricle like above the rumor about TOSU and Michigan going to the SEC wont happen. if duke, north carolina, fsu, and clemson all leave the acc the B1G actually has a great shot at notre dame.

If I'm in the Big 12, I get everyone on board with sitting at 8 teams for the next couple of years and collect the money from OU and Texas. That is, unless the TV networks are able to cancel the existing TV contracts due to membership change.

[MVC Phil]

Big 10 came out yesterday and stated they are not looking at expanding.

Pac 12 and ACC aren't really discussing it yet.

I think the Big 12 will add 2 and this round will be over