Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby BEARZ77 » March 7th, 2022, 11:28 am

ValleyFAN wrote:Tough to project out right now. Give it a couple months are the picture will be much clearer. With Missouri State, for example, so much rides on what Isiaih Mosley chooses to do.


Yeah, I'm not to worried about having talent, but the makeup of MSU's roster has much to be determined yet. I would think Black, Patterson, Haney, Clay , and probably Sharp would all be back. Sharp was a major loss for this years team via injury. Then we've had 3 prep players who've basically not played/rs the past two years that are real mysteries at this point in 6'5 Skylar Wicks, 6'5 Raphe Ayres, and 6'7 Melvyn Ebonkoli. We have the two post players in 6'10 Tata, and 7'0 Carpers as possibles, with Carper's having given some decent sub minutes the latter half of this year, but neither projects as the likely starter and I doubt Tata's return.
Then we have 3 frosh signed[ Hampton/Dunn/Benson], and I really like all 3 . All 3 are between 6'6 and 6'8 and each has a little different skill set/profile. Benson should get pt immediately in the post , and Dunn is a high motor , physical forward, while Hampton more a 3/2 wing type. While it's a full roster presently, I expect some churn and at least another add or two.

We'll have veteran guards and a long, athletic frontcourt either way, so I don't see as big a drop as might be expected losing Prim and possibly Mosley. Top 3-4 I doubt [ if Mosley is gone] but I can see us in the 4-7 range w/o.
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby bradley_townie » March 7th, 2022, 4:53 pm

Bradley should be a top 3 team depending on how transfers play out and assuming the core is back. Roberts, Mast, Leons and Hickman is a great group of guys to build around.

Wardle also needs to get it together and play a complete year. Please no more whiffing in November and December. No more post-game press conference excuses about inexperience. The blame is always on the players and never on the coaching staff. This will be his 8th year. Never won CoY. Never finished higher than 4th. Next year we will see if he is an average coach who caught lightning in a bottle a couple of times or someone who is capable of building from scratch and competing in the top of this league.

They are going to miss Mikey Howell in a big way. They are in desperate need of a point guard so Terry can play off the ball.

Hopefully Ville can get right over the off-season. 36% from 3 for the year isn't going to cut it when your role is the sharpshooter and you are a below average defender with limited ability to get to the hoop.

Also, how on earth does Jayson Kent get the start against Loyola at Arch Madness? He's a 26% 3 point shooter with 91 3PA for the year. How does that happen? Last year he shot 27%. Hopefully someone like Zek can step up and compete for those minutes.

Grievances now aired, this is a very solid team.
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby tribecalledquest » March 7th, 2022, 5:40 pm

bradley_townie wrote:Bradley should be a top 3 team depending on how transfers play out and assuming the core is back. Roberts, Mast, Leons and Hickman is a great group of guys to build around.

Wardle also needs to get it together and play a complete year. Please no more whiffing in November and December. No more post-game press conference excuses about inexperience. The blame is always on the players and never on the coaching staff. This will be his 8th year. Never won CoY. Never finished higher than 4th. Next year we will see if he is an average coach who caught lightning in a bottle a couple of times or someone who is capable of building from scratch and competing in the top of this league.

They are going to miss Mikey Howell in a big way. They are in desperate need of a point guard so Terry can play off the ball.

Hopefully Ville can get right over the off-season. 36% from 3 for the year isn't going to cut it when your role is the sharpshooter and you are a below average defender with limited ability to get to the hoop.

Also, how on earth does Jayson Kent get the start against Loyola at Arch Madness? He's a 26% 3 point shooter with 91 3PA for the year. How does that happen? Last year he shot 27%. Hopefully someone like Zek can step up and compete for those minutes.

Grievances now aired, this is a very solid team.


Bradley finished tied for third in 2019-20.

Bradley won’t miss Mikey Howell at all. He is a D2 level player. God Bless him but if they can’t find someone better than him then there are real issues.
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby bradley_townie » March 7th, 2022, 5:58 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:
bradley_townie wrote:Bradley should be a top 3 team depending on how transfers play out and assuming the core is back. Roberts, Mast, Leons and Hickman is a great group of guys to build around.

Wardle also needs to get it together and play a complete year. Please no more whiffing in November and December. No more post-game press conference excuses about inexperience. The blame is always on the players and never on the coaching staff. This will be his 8th year. Never won CoY. Never finished higher than 4th. Next year we will see if he is an average coach who caught lightning in a bottle a couple of times or someone who is capable of building from scratch and competing in the top of this league.

They are going to miss Mikey Howell in a big way. They are in desperate need of a point guard so Terry can play off the ball.

Hopefully Ville can get right over the off-season. 36% from 3 for the year isn't going to cut it when your role is the sharpshooter and you are a below average defender with limited ability to get to the hoop.

Also, how on earth does Jayson Kent get the start against Loyola at Arch Madness? He's a 26% 3 point shooter with 91 3PA for the year. How does that happen? Last year he shot 27%. Hopefully someone like Zek can step up and compete for those minutes.

Grievances now aired, this is a very solid team.


Bradley finished tied for third in 2019-20.

Bradley won’t miss Mikey Howell at all. He is a D2 level player. God Bless him but if they can’t find someone better than him then there are real issues.


You're right, tied for 3rd and ended up as the 4th seed with tiebreakers.

Mikey had his moments, both good and bad. Never much of a scoring threat but I think he came into his own during the year and was serviceable in his role. My point was less about him and more about needing a 30+ minute PG who can distribute and is occasionally a threat to drive so that Roberts can play the two more often.
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby tribecalledquest » March 7th, 2022, 6:31 pm

bradley_townie wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:
bradley_townie wrote:Bradley should be a top 3 team depending on how transfers play out and assuming the core is back. Roberts, Mast, Leons and Hickman is a great group of guys to build around.

Wardle also needs to get it together and play a complete year. Please no more whiffing in November and December. No more post-game press conference excuses about inexperience. The blame is always on the players and never on the coaching staff. This will be his 8th year. Never won CoY. Never finished higher than 4th. Next year we will see if he is an average coach who caught lightning in a bottle a couple of times or someone who is capable of building from scratch and competing in the top of this league.

They are going to miss Mikey Howell in a big way. They are in desperate need of a point guard so Terry can play off the ball.

Hopefully Ville can get right over the off-season. 36% from 3 for the year isn't going to cut it when your role is the sharpshooter and you are a below average defender with limited ability to get to the hoop.

Also, how on earth does Jayson Kent get the start against Loyola at Arch Madness? He's a 26% 3 point shooter with 91 3PA for the year. How does that happen? Last year he shot 27%. Hopefully someone like Zek can step up and compete for those minutes.

Grievances now aired, this is a very solid team.


Bradley finished tied for third in 2019-20.

Bradley won’t miss Mikey Howell at all. He is a D2 level player. God Bless him but if they can’t find someone better than him then there are real issues.


You're right, tied for 3rd and ended up as the 4th seed with tiebreakers.

Mikey had his moments, both good and bad. Never much of a scoring threat but I think he came into his own during the year and was serviceable in his role. My point was less about him and more about needing a 30+ minute PG who can distribute and is occasionally a threat to drive so that Roberts can play the two more often.


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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby SalukiWorld » March 7th, 2022, 7:33 pm

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Looks like Mosley might be returning to Missouri State, if so I'd probably put them in the contender tier with Drake, Murray, and Bradley
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby BCPanther » March 7th, 2022, 8:03 pm

By tiers:

Drake
Murray
Bradley
Missouri State

UNI
Southern Illinois
Belmont

Valpo
Indiana State

Illinois State
UIC
Evansville
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby tribecalledquest » March 7th, 2022, 8:17 pm

BCPanther wrote:By tiers:

Drake
Murray
Bradley
Missouri State

UNI
Southern Illinois
Belmont

Valpo
Indiana State

Illinois State
UIC
Evansville


I think this looks pretty good as of March 7 anyway :)
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby DUBulldog » March 7th, 2022, 8:36 pm

BCPanther wrote:By tiers:

Drake
Murray
Bradley
Missouri State

UNI
Southern Illinois
Belmont

Valpo
Indiana State

Illinois State
UIC
Evansville


I'm not sure I'm ready to put Drake in the top tier yet. All depends on whether Wilkins and Penn come back. Pretty sure Sturtz will. Brodie could also come back, but unless he dedicates himself completely to basketball in the off-season, he will be a non-factor.
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Re: Projecting the 2022-23 Missouri Valley

Postby BCPanther » March 7th, 2022, 8:50 pm

DUBulldog wrote:
BCPanther wrote:By tiers:

Drake
Murray
Bradley
Missouri State

UNI
Southern Illinois
Belmont

Valpo
Indiana State

Illinois State
UIC
Evansville


I'm not sure I'm ready to put Drake in the top tier yet. All depends on whether Wilkins and Penn come back. Pretty sure Sturtz will. Brodie could also come back, but unless he dedicates himself completely to basketball in the off-season, he will be a non-factor.


I guess I'm assuming all your guys come back and all ours (Green, Phyfe, Carter) leave. Lol.
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