Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

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If Indiana State loses at Arch Madness, is the Missouri Valley a 2-bid league?

Poll ended at March 16th, 2024, 6:33 pm

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49%
No
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51%
 
Total votes : 57

Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby ColonialBulldog » March 11th, 2024, 11:44 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Jerry Palm doesn't even have the Sycs sniffing a bid.


That's probably a good sign for Indiana State. :)

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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby Bulldog4life24 » March 11th, 2024, 11:55 am

Its always wild to me how much stock folks put in Lunardi and Palm nationally, when they're actually pretty poor prognosticators
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » March 11th, 2024, 12:28 pm

Mikovio wrote:Doug Elgin was on the committee for years and stepped out of the room when discussing Valley teams and yet every time the MVC bubble team got in. Personal relationships matter, especially when everyone is stuck for a week in a pressure cooker watching games and pouring over data together.


Exactly right. Maybe I’ve just watched too many social strategy gameshows, but I’ve always believed personal relationships to be a massive factor. Even when Louisville was the surprise snub a few years ago, the committee chair was…rival Kentucky AD. If Indiana State gets left out, that lack of representation would be the reason why.

That said, I’m still confident they’re in, based on all the metrics the committee uses posted earlier.
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby TylerDurden » March 11th, 2024, 12:36 pm

Mikovio wrote:Doug Elgin was on the committee for years and stepped out of the room when discussing Valley teams and yet every time the MVC bubble team got in. Personal relationships matter, especially when everyone is stuck for a week in a pressure cooker watching games and pouring over data together.


Doug Elgin was a statesman of sorts. He knew everyone and treated people well, regardless of their relative position in the world.

How much that helped with bids, I don't know. But let's not forget that Elgin was a former SID, so he knew how to present his case.
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby Mikovio » March 11th, 2024, 12:56 pm

Lunardi always updates his bracket an hour before it's released and gets it almost 100% right. If you're not in that one you're in trouble.
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby davidfast » March 11th, 2024, 1:05 pm

Mikovio wrote:Lunardi always updates his bracket an hour before it's released and gets it almost 100% right. If you're not in that one you're in trouble.

If by 100% you mean missing out on 3 to 5 teams every year, then yes he's 100%.
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby Mikovio » March 11th, 2024, 1:10 pm

He got 67/68 teams the last couple years. Only missed Rutgers last year and Wyoming the year before.
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » March 11th, 2024, 3:55 pm

davidfast wrote:
Mikovio wrote:Lunardi always updates his bracket an hour before it's released and gets it almost 100% right. If you're not in that one you're in trouble.

If by 100% you mean missing out on 3 to 5 teams every year, then yes he's 100%.


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2023 67/68
2022 67/68
2021 67/68
2019 67/68
2018 66/68
2017 67/68
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby davidfast » March 11th, 2024, 5:22 pm

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:
davidfast wrote:
Mikovio wrote:Lunardi always updates his bracket an hour before it's released and gets it almost 100% right. If you're not in that one you're in trouble.

If by 100% you mean missing out on 3 to 5 teams every year, then yes he's 100%.


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2023 67/68
2022 67/68
2021 67/68
2019 67/68
2018 66/68
2017 67/68


2015 66/68
2014 67/68
2013 68/68
2012 67/68
2011 65/68
2010 64/65
2009 64/65
2008 65/65
2007 63/65
2006 63/65

Perfect twice in 17 years. Still gets things wrong
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Re: Is The Missouri Valley A 2-Bid League?

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » March 11th, 2024, 5:57 pm

“Lunardi misses out on 3 to 5 teams every year”

Turns out he’s only missed on 3 teams once since 2006 — all the way back in 2011. And never 4 or 5 teams.

Why lie?
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