Missouri State's Jamar Gulley out for 2012-13 season

[CBB_Fan]

Armstead (6'2), Wiggins (6'6), Early (6'8), Hall (6'8), and Orukpe (7'0)

Like I said before you have to give it to the Wichita fan base...they see an NCAA tournament and Valley championship contender from a starting 5 who averaged 9pts per game last year in DI.

I see the tallest and most athletic team in the league. Regardless of experience, that means they should be good at defense, and defense = wins. And while they lost the most, they also had the best recruiting class even without counting their JuCo players.

Besides, per game production is overrated. What is important is efficiency, and Hall/Orukpe were still fairly efficient. Hall shot 57.2% from the field, and Orukpe shot 50%, though neither are good at FTs. Armstead was decently efficient for a guard and had a good A/TO ratio at Oregon (great thief as well).

[TNMSUFAN]

Orukpe shot 50%, though neither are good at FTs. Armstead was decently efficient for a guard and had a good A/TO ratio at Oregon (great thief as well).

Orukpe didn't even average 1 shot per game and you are going to give me shooting % numbers and tell me how efficient he was? Just a little bit of a reach but I like your confidence

[CBB_Fan]

Orukpe shot 50%, though neither are good at FTs. Armstead was decently efficient for a guard and had a good A/TO ratio at Oregon (great thief as well).

Orukpe didn't even average 1 shot per game and you are going to give me shooting % numbers and tell me how efficient he was? Just a little bit of a reach but I like your confidence

Do you Jimmer Fredette's 30 points in last nights NBA Summer League game was good? No, because he took 21 shots (and six 3s) to get there, shooting under 50% from the field and 16.7% from the 3PT line. He hurt his team by taking so many shots.

In the same way, Orukpe doesn't have to lead the Shockers in PPG. He just needs to shoot efficiently enough, and often enough, that he doesn't hurt them. And with his current rate of production, he'll shoot about 100 shots over the course of next season (assuming he gets about the same amount of minutes Stutz did last year), and give the Shockers about 5 points per game, assuming he hasn't gotten any better offensively (and he has). If he can be good enough on defense to stop 8 more points than Stutz would have, he would be just as valuable as Stutz was last season. IMHO, his defensive contribution is around that level.

However, as long as he's efficient I'm fine with limited touches. Early, Wiggins, Hall, and Williams should all get a fair amount of touches, and the team doesn't need 5 people on the floor that need the ball in their hands.

[TNMSUFAN]

His efficiency probably had something to do with the fact he played mop up minutes and his only 4 games that he played double digit minutes in Valley play were 25+ point wins...which is where your logic is flawed. I don't care how efficient he was up 30 against scrubs...not saying he can't but we will see this year.

[CBB_Fan]

His efficiency probably had something to do with the fact he played mop up minutes and his only 4 games that he played double digit minutes in Valley play were 25+ point wins...which is where your logic is flawed. I don't care how efficient he was up 30 against scrubs...not saying he can't but we will see this year.

He actually didn't get a lot of mop-up minutes. Most of the time he was put in was in the first 3/4 of a game. He FT shooting stopped the Shockers from putting him in more in late games, along with his tendency to foul. We tended to have Wessel, Vautravers, Anacreon, and White out in those type of games.

Remember, he still played in all but 2 games. It wasn't like he was only put in against scrubs.

[DoubleJayAlum]

His efficiency probably had something to do with the fact he played mop up minutes and his only 4 games that he played double digit minutes in Valley play were 25+ point wins...which is where your logic is flawed. I don't care how efficient he was up 30 against scrubs...not saying he can't but we will see this year.

I think it may be best to just accept that CBB_fan has a major hard-on for Orupke and move on. Despite not receiving much significant playing time last year, he already has Orupke penciled in as DPOY and a potential NBA draft choice. I'd say that objectivity probably ain't happening....

Harkening back to the old ValleyTalk days, perhaps "GodOrupkeGod is appropriate here.

[CBB_Fan]

His efficiency probably had something to do with the fact he played mop up minutes and his only 4 games that he played double digit minutes in Valley play were 25+ point wins...which is where your logic is flawed. I don't care how efficient he was up 30 against scrubs...not saying he can't but we will see this year.

I think it may be best to just accept that CBB_fan has a major hard-on for Orupke and move on. Despite not receiving much significant playing time last year, he already has Orupke penciled in as DPOY and a potential NBA draft choice. I'd say that objectivity probably ain't happening....

Harkening back to the old ValleyTalk days, perhaps "GodOrupkeGod is appropriate here.

I would about half my post count if people didn't keep attacking my viewpoint. I feel that Orukpe will be a valuable player, mostly defensively, and that he has a good chance to be drafted solely because of the screwed up way NBA GMs tend to draft.

I only sound like I'm worshiping Orukpe because I constantly have to defend my belief that he'll be a valuable player next season. My of my posts about him have been responses, even after I said in the this thread that I would prefer not to continue talking about him or the Shockers in this thread. Continue attacks on that belief have made it a greater issue than I feel it should be, but that is mostly the fault of the people would continue to talk about him.

It isn't my fault you guys constantly have to bring him up or keep talking about him.

[TNMSUFAN]

This is the play by play from the Bradley game

1:02 Ehimen Orukpe made Layup. 90-42

This is from the Drake game

0:25 Ehimen Orukpe Block. 81-57

The other Bradley game

1:12 Ehimen Orukpe Defensive Rebound. 78-41

As I said...mop up

[TNMSUFAN]

I think it may be best to just accept that CBB_fan has a major hard-on for Orupke and move on. Despite not receiving much significant playing time last year, he already has Orupke penciled in as DPOY and a potential NBA draft choice. I'd say that objectivity probably ain't happening....

Harkening back to the old ValleyTalk days, perhaps "GodOrupkeGod is appropriate here.

I know I will just let it go. I am not saying he won't be a good player because every team has guys that improve...just don't tell me how efficient he was last year based on 30 shots mostly in blow outs

[jackwagon]

Wichita fans are crazy. They think their team is going to be at the top just because they have a big recruiting budget and can get high profile JC players. All they have coming back is two guys who were role players last season and neither showed they can score 15+ a night. Where is the offense going to come from? Early and Wiggins might be fine JC scorers but no way they score more than 10 a night in the valley their first go around. This is D1 ball and a damn good conference. I'll take the teams with players who have proven their skills against D1 competition over a bunch of guys who beat up on southwestern state community college for the blind. Dont see them being more than a 5 or 6 seed.