Alabama A&M At Evansville

[sixth ace]

Last night I had to lay on the asphalt in the blowing rain and snow, trying to get my spare tire down. One of the player's uncle, drove from Kokomo to see his freshman nephew play,had the tool I needed to cut the cable as the hoist was jam. His nephew played at AAMU. I'm thankful that we support under funded school who help young athletes realize a dream, a college education. If one game or even 10 games help educate America without a hand out but a handup, I'm for it. Shame on the privileged to deny their access,just another discrimination

[shocktheheart]

Last night I had to lay on the asphalt in the blowing rain and snow, trying to get my spare tire down. One of the player's uncle, drove from Kokomo to see his freshman nephew play,had the tool I needed to cut the cable as the hoist was jam. His nephew played at AAMU. I'm thankful that we support under funded school who help young athletes realize a dream, a college education. If one game or even 10 games help educate America without a hand out but a handup, I'm for it. Shame on the privileged to deny their access,just another discrimination

Nobody is talking about keeping scholarships away from these basketball players. We are talking about if these schools are worth playing and if they should be division 1. For the last seven years this conference has finished last in the RPI (official conferences). These teams would be better suit to move down to division 2 to better compete. This isn't the YMCA and everyone should get a chance. This is major division 1 basketball the Valley plays and until Evansville fans realize this, you will be stuck in mediocrity.

[shoxrox]

The way this topic has turned has gotten things very weird. We're now talking about the education of America? That's great and all but this is a sports forum. The fact of the matter is that schools in the SWAC are at the bottom of the barrel and if this conference cares about its own finances, namely in the form of NCAA bids, they should be avoided at all costs.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Last night I had to lay on the asphalt in the blowing rain and snow, trying to get my spare tire down. One of the player's uncle, drove from Kokomo to see his freshman nephew play,had the tool I needed to cut the cable as the hoist was jam. His nephew played at AAMU. I'm thankful that we support under funded school who help young athletes realize a dream, a college education. If one game or even 10 games help educate America without a hand out but a handup, I'm for it. Shame on the privileged to deny their access,just another discrimination

Nobody is talking about keeping scholarships away from these basketball players. We are talking about if these schools are worth playing and if they should be division 1. For the last seven years this conference has finished last in the RPI (official conferences). These teams would be better suit to move down to division 2 to better compete. This isn't the YMCA and everyone should get a chance. This is major division 1 basketball the Valley plays and until Evansville fans realize this, you will be stuck in mediocrity.

It isn't "just another discrimination" either, but maybe with enough race baiting you will scare people away from talking about it. That is the goal of that particular strategy, is it not?

[DoubleJayAlum]

The way this topic has turned has gotten things very weird. We're now talking about the education of America? That's great and all but this is a sports forum. The fact of the matter is that schools in the SWAC are at the bottom of the barrel and if this conference cares about its own finances, namely in the form of NCAA bids, they should be avoided at all costs.

This is what happens when people are allowed to express their social agendas on SPORTS boards. You can't put the Genie back into the bottle.

If you are against playing SWAC teams, you are a racist or guilty of "just another discrimination." You're also an "elitist." You aren't allowed to point out the fundamental problems with playing SWAC teams because that whole line of discussion is taken away from you by name calling and labeling. Those guilty of the practice don't try to argue on the merits because they know their side is a loser on the merits. Instead, they just try to shut down down all discussion. Once a poster, to quote the phrase a moderator here used, "goes there" they know they have intimated a large number of posters and will have the effect of stifling any further discussion on the topic. We should call it what it is -- a form of politically correct censorship. It takes a bold poster to enter the discussion at that point.

Add to that the fact that one mod doesn't even want there to be discussion in which a person says "school X should beat School Y" or "school X is significantly better than school Y." Taking away that particular discussion shuts down around 60% of the typical discussions held on SPORTS message boards. Evaluating the level of one's own opponents and the opponents of your conference mates is the main reason why people visit message boards for a conference in the first place. If they didn't care about those things, they would just stay on their own school's message boards.

Societal political correctness has now overtaken this board. We are well beyond smack talk in that we have now entered into the realm of "you can't say anything about anything that may hurt someone else's feelings" now. On top of that, we've got a situation where a moderator, without impunity, is doing the exactly the sorts of things that have caused other posters here to be banned, suspended or have their posts put on approved posting status.

[Bball Junkie]

Just to be fair, even though Wichita State has beaten some good teams this season, they have also played 2 of their 6 games against MEAC schools.....the MEAC is currently the lowest ranked conf per RPI.

Also, Creighton has beaten some good teams, but they have played 2 of their 6 games against Big South schools......the Big South is rated #29 out of 31 conferences per RPI.

Point is that all teams play "lesser competition" from time to time.

[sixth ace]

no I'm Not race baiting I'm one of the older of twelve white children who had to go to service to go to college People ask me where I went to school SoutheastAsia U and then to a college. University education is a necessary, forgive me trade schools you too are necessary,to live an American dream of being better off,provide your kids an education and provide a better living than your parents provided you. Yes my parent live in accordance with papal preaching. I wouldn't trade any of my brothers or sisters. I know what it's like not to have them. My younger brother died on 9-30-12.

It does relate to this board as it is the team UE chose to play. They are into giving a hand up, not hand outs

[Khan4Cats]

The SWAC and MEAC are the two conferences that are annually at the bottom of the conference RPI charts (not counting the Independents and the transitional Great West). The conferences ranked in the 20's of RPI bounce around often with no clear conference settling into the high 20's and no real clear indication of who might be dropping into that level on a given year. As a rule, the MVC should avoid scheduling teams that from these bottom conferences. We don't always know who these conferences are going to be, but we have a pretty good track record to guess that the MEAC and SWAC will be among them. NO MVC school should be willingly scheduling these schools unless they are lumped in as part of a MTE field.

This year, 5 games are scheduled with MEAC schools. 2 of those are from MTE tourneys. The other three are playing at Drake, at Illinois State and at Wichita State (with ISU and WSU each getting saddled with an additional game from their MTE)

4 games are scheduled against SWAC schools. 1 is from a MTE (at Bradley), Evansville scheduled 2 home games with SWAC schools, and Missouri State is GOING TO a SWAC school to play

[Ace Dad]

Last night I had to lay on the asphalt in the blowing rain and snow, trying to get my spare tire down. One of the player's uncle, drove from Kokomo to see his freshman nephew play,had the tool I needed to cut the cable as the hoist was jam. His nephew played at AAMU. I'm thankful that we support under funded school who help young athletes realize a dream, a college education. If one game or even 10 games help educate America without a hand out but a handup, I'm for it. Shame on the privileged to deny their access,just another discrimination

Nobody is talking about keeping scholarships away from these basketball players. We are talking about if these schools are worth playing and if they should be division 1. For the last seven years this conference has finished last in the RPI (official conferences). These teams would be better suit to move down to division 2 to better compete. This isn't the YMCA and everyone should get a chance. This is major division 1 basketball the Valley plays and until Evansville fans realize this, you will be stuck in mediocrity.

It isn't "just another discrimination" either, but maybe with enough race baiting you will scare people away from talking about it. That is the goal of that particular strategy, is it not?

DJ, as usual, you misrepresent.

Talking about the issue allows people to share ideas and to learn other perspectives as opposed to sticking our head in the sand.

Talking about basketball and then relating it to health, ecomomics, race, education, or history is fair.

You would rather participate on a basketball board with 200 other people who look like you, think like you, are of the same socio-economic strata, and have the same experiences.

Again: Creighton University and the University of Evansville did not allow black players on their teams for years. This is why the Alabama A&Ms exist today.

I do understand the basketball concern about low RPIs. Got it. If Alabama A&M has a RPI of 75, you would have no problem with them playing Evansville.

[Ace Dad]

Just to be fair, even though Wichita State has beaten some good teams this season, they have also played 2 of their 6 games against MEAC schools.....the MEAC is currently the lowest ranked conf per RPI.

Also, Creighton has beaten some good teams, but they have played 2 of their 6 games against Big South schools......the Big South is rated #29 out of 31 conferences per RPI.

Point is that all teams play "lesser competition" from time to time.

Thank you.