Question for Creighton Fans

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

We've done more in the NCAAs the last 6 years than you've done in the last 15.

I'm really beginning to see why most posters on here don't like Wichita fans. I've complimented Wichita for many things, as have i pointed out the bad. I have never once heard a Wichita fan on here compliment the Jays, and now we have you making up lies. You have won 2 NCAA games in the past 20 plus years. Creighton has won 3 in the past 15. So how have you had more NCAA success in the past 6 years than we have in the past 15? You have 0 NCAA wins in the past 6 years. Just cause u made the sweet 16 once does not mean you win every argument for everything.

I have said it before and ill say it again, I have been to Wichita for 4 games and the majority of the fans I have come across have been respectful, down to earth, loyal fans to the shox. Maybe that is just because I have been in the very upper rows, idk. I am one of the few people on this board that respects shocker fans. I'm beginning to question if I'm wrong about my assumption, as everyone else seems to not like their fans, and most of the shocker posters on here just make up dillusional arrogant posts.

One Sweet 16 berth > 3 first round wins

I wouldn't say winning 2 NCAA games is doing more in the NCAAs, than winning 3 games. Even if the 2 wins got you to the sweet 16. Like I said, if the quality of your program was measured only in Sweet 16 appearances than you would have to say Southern Illinois has had a better program than Wichita over the past 6 years. As SIU has one sweet 16 appearance in the last 6 years compared to WSU having 0.

And his statement is wrong. We've done more in the NCAAs in the last 6 years than Creighton has in the last 38 years. So has UNI. So has Bradley.

Again, the facts are you have 0 NCAA wins in the past 6 years, SIU has a sweet 16. Clearly SIU has been a far better program than Wichita for the past 6 years. Using shocker logic. I'm gonna have to come up with a name for Shocker logic. shlogic?

[CBB_Fan]

If we want to go and make this an e-peen contest, Wichita State has three Elite 8s to Creighton's 0, SIU's 0, Illinois State's 0, Evansville's 0, Missouri State's 0, UNI's 1, and Indiana State's 1. Both Bradley's and Drake's tie the Shockers with 3, though the Shockers do have the most recent appearances.

Ultimately this is pointless, but Wichita State fans have some reason to say they have outclassed Creighton when it comes to winning games after getting the post-season. However, in terms of appearances that could not be farther from the truth.

[rlh04d]

I've complimented Wichita for many things, as have i pointed out the bad.

Nah. You pretend like you're complimenting Wichita while sticking little jabs in at the end of everything you say.

I have never once heard a Wichita fan on here compliment the Jays

Really? I've never heard ONE WSU fan disparage anything about Creighton. I see Creighton fans CONSTANTLY belittling Wichita, Kansas, attacking WSU players as being ignorant, or thugs, or YOU accusing WSU of recruiting violations. WSU fans don't LIKE Creighton, but we don't disparage Creighton in that manner. Nebraska's a hell hole (at least as bad as Kansas ... there's a reason I live in Hawaii >=)), but you don't see me saying it Oh, whoops.

I'll mock Creighton for being completely unable to get past the second round in the NCAA tournament, but I would never say that Creighton isn't the most successful team in conference play, or the most consistent, in the last decade+. Hell, if you guys didn't choke in every NCAA tournament, you could easily have been one of the Butlers or Gonzagas. Just never got over that step of turning conference dominance into NCAA tournament success. You draw amazing crowds, McD is probably the best player in the MVC for the last few decades (although a poor defender, and unlikely to have NBA success >=)), and Creighton's a solid academic school.

I'd be lying if I denied any of those things. I just don't say them very often because, eww, Creighton.

You have won 2 NCAA games in the past 20 plus years. Creighton has won 3 in the past 15.

Don't think I didn't notice that you changed the time frame there, despite the fact that Creighton has also only won 3 in the past 20. Big gap between 91 and 99 there, bud. Of course, I could also say that Creighton has won ONE game in the past 10, and WSU has won TWO. We can both selectively choose timeframes.

Just cause u made the sweet 16 once does not mean you win every argument for everything.

Nah, but it pretty effectively wins the "NCAA tournament success" debate >=)

I wouldn't say winning 2 NCAA games is doing more in the NCAAs, than winning 3 games. Even if the 2 wins got you to the sweet 16.

You can say it or not. It's your choice to be wrong. Going to the NCAAs and sucking is not anything to brag about. Hell, you do it at the NIT as well. If you're going to go, might as well win >=)

It's borderline delusional to try to pretend like three first round wins are better than a first round win AND a second round win. I don't know if you've seen the NCAA tournament before, but each round is progressively more difficult than the one before it. And I don't mean that as an insult ... I honestly don't know if you've seen much of the NCAA tournament. You probably weren't alive the last time you guys got to the third round >=)

You could have won a first round game in every NCAA tournament you've been in over the last 20 years and I would still say, accurately, that the Sweet 16 berths of WSU, Bradley, NIU, and SIU meant they had more NCAA tournament success. You don't hang banners for winning a first round game. (Or do you? I'd have to imagine "Round of 32~!" banners look rather lame.)

Just saying, WSU has banners from the Final Four, two from the Elite 8, the Sweet 16, winning the NIT (in that order of importance) ... and don't think I didn't notice how you conveniently dropped your argument about the NIT being better than the NCAAs in the 70s and 80s. End of the day, Creighton has never won back to back games in either the NCAA tournament or the NIT. Ever. WSU has done it five times. There is no comparing postseason success. I have no problem acknowledging Creighton's conference success ... but that success is tempered by constant postseason failure.

Like I said, if the quality of your program was measured only in Sweet 16 appearances than you would have to say Southern Illinois has had a better program than Wichita over the past 6 years. As SIU has one sweet 16 appearance in the last 6 years compared to WSU having 0.

I would say SIU has had more NCAA tournament success than us in that timeframe, yes. Also more tournament success than Creighton in the last 40.

Clearly SIU has been a far better program than Wichita for the past 6 years. Using shocker logic. I'm gonna have to come up with a name for Shocker logic. shlogic?

It's cute how worked up you get. I didn't say we had a better program than Creighton over that time period. I said we had more NCAA tournament success.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

I will give you credit for being logical. If your talking about how good one does once making the tournament for the entire history of these teams than you are right. This was off topic though. It all came up when i agreed with a shocker fan that the reason most people dislike CU and WSU is because both are good. And in that, i mentioned that Creighton has been hated for over 10 years, and Wichita for 2 years, simply because both have been good for that long respectively. I was just saying the shox have been good the past couple years and thats why most valley fans dislike them. And some shocker fan disagreed and said yall have been good for the past 6 years. The whole point was that when your good for year after year, the other teams in the conference dont like you, hence Creighton has been "envied" for 10 plus years, Wichita for the past year or two. It takes a few years for the envy to set in. Creightons been atop or near the top for 15 years, but only really hated for the past 10. Wichita has been atop or near the top for the past 3 years, they have only been hated for a year or two. To illustrate this point, Creighton has finished in the top 4 in the Valley every single season for the past 15 years, this would be year 16. Wichita has finished in the top 4 in the Valley only for the past 3 years, this will be year 4. Creighton fans are used to being envied thats probably why we take the other teams bashing so well. Wichita is just now learning how it is to be envied by some other Valley schools, maybe thats why they get so butt hurt by it.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

Clearly SIU has been a far better program than Wichita for the past 6 years. Using shocker logic. I'm gonna have to come up with a name for Shocker logic. shlogic?

It's cute how worked up you get. I didn't say we had a better program than Creighton over that time period. I said we had more NCAA tournament success.

This wasn't directed at you amigo. It was in response to the Wichita fan before you that was saying Wichita has been a better program than Creighton for the past 6 years. He was trying to say that because you made the sweet 16 7 years ago , and Creighton hasn't , that you guys have been a better program for the past 7 years. It was shoxrox btw.

[jaybydna]

Deanthony Bowden, just stop. You are not going to win and you are making us look as bad as them, which takes effort. Let them talk about all the success they want.

WSU fans, you made it. you are there. The basketball community is talking about you. You are in the dance for now. You are about to win a second title in a row, and you did it without your starters. Heck, even the C7 won't let you out of the subject and talks about you and the A10. Act like you have been there before. You look stupid with all your whining and "look at me" 4 year old crap. The only thing that can screw this up for you now is you and your big mouths.

Can we talk about bracketbusters now?

[shockem]

both sides are ridiculous. The dust in my trophy case is thicker than the dust in your trophy case. Who gives a s***. Both sides are making blanket statements about entire fanbases when its really a handful of dipshits addicted to trapping each other with historical references. Let's move on and watch some basketball, we have a heck of a conference race brewing this year.

[MVCfans]

What are the odds that Doug leaves for the NBA this offseason?

Just catching up on some threads and realized the actual question asked here and the discussion points are completely unrelated. It would be great if every thread didn't devolve into a pissing match.

[PantherSigEp]

These two latest posts need to be read more carefully than anything else in this entire thread. For all that is Purple and Gold (and your school's colors as well) stop these silly arguments and come back to reality. There are only 2 games left in the season and I don't think any more than 1 or 2 Arch Madness are even close to being locked up. Why are we hardly discussing this?

[Jays26]

I don't hate Creighton and I respect most of their fans because at the end of the day it's a damn game. No one gives a rat's ass what I think and I am perfectly fine with that. I don't care who the Shocks beat so long as they are contending and doing so in an honest manner. I do not believe any team in our league are cheaters but then again I am a "big tent Catholic"', "Catholic Light, all the fun and none the guilt" Epicopalian so I could be accused of a catholic bias.

I hope we beat the hell outta everyone and every Valley team kick the crap out of everyone they play that isn't Wichita State.

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

Except insert "Jays" where WSU is.

On a side note....now I know what it feels lke to be stalked.