ESPN says Creighton to C7 in 2014

[rlh04d]

Zero FBS football schools will consider a non FBS conference in basketball.

Why? If they're an FBS football school, and the MVC does not have a FBS football division, wouldn't Tulsa be free to join an FBS football conference as an associate member? I wouldn't think they'd be forced to downgrade to the FCS if they were to join the MVC, although few NCAA rules make sense to me, so I could be wrong.

Not many FBS conferences have football affiliates, especially the conferences Tulsa wants to be a part of(CUSA, MWC or Big East football).

There are three teams about to join the Big East as associate members: Navy, ODU, and East Carolina. Navy has all of their non-football sports in the Patriot League (which has FCS football), whereas I believe ODU and ECU are considering Atlantic 10, CAA, and Big South for their non-football sports ... two of which are leagues that have FCS football.

I'm not arguing that Tulsa has any interest in joining the MVC. I am specifically disagreeing with bleach's statement that zero FBS football schools will consider a non FBS conference in basketball. Not only has Navy already done so, but ECU and ODU are both considering doing so. Thus, bleach's point is wrong.

In fact, IF Tulsa were to look at joining the Big East, there is a decent possibility that they would only do so in football, as the four other Big East associate schools have done. In that case, Tulsa would have to find a non-FBS conference to join for their other sports.

[bleach]

There might be reasons why Tulsa would not join the MVC, but the MVC having FCS football is absolutely not one of them.

Actually, it might not be the only reason but it is the main reason.

[rlh04d]

There might be reasons why Tulsa would not join the MVC, but the MVC having FCS football is absolutely not one of them.

Actually, it might not be the only reason but it is the main reason.

Of four Big East associate members, three of them already have their non-football sports in conferences with FCS football or are considering it.

You said that zero FBS football schools would ever consider it. You are wrong. I don't know how many schools have ever considered it, but I can tell you pretty easily with very little effort to research the issue that Navy, ODU, and ECU have all proven you incorrect.

In fact, to further disagree with you, it's likely the only reason Tulsa would ever join the MVC. If they were to ever re-join the MVC, it's because the MVC has FCS football, which would allow them to play FBS football in the Big East as an associate member. Not only would FCS football (or lacking football entirely) not be the main reason keeping Tulsa out, it would probably be the only reason they'd consider joining ... if the Big East were to extend an invitation only for football.

[bleach]

There are three teams about to join the Big East as associate members: Navy, ODU, and East Carolina. Navy has all of their non-football sports in the Patriot League (which has FCS football), whereas I believe ODU and ECU are considering Atlantic 10, CAA, and Big South for their non-football sports ... two of which are leagues that have FCS football.

I'm not arguing that Tulsa has any interest in joining the MVC. I am specifically disagreeing with bleach's statement that zero FBS football schools will consider a non FBS conference in basketball. Not only has Navy already done so, but ECU and ODU are both considering doing so. Thus, bleach's point is wrong.

Tulsa left the MVC specificly to persue FBS football.
Navy isn't JOINING the Patriot league and would leave if they had a better option.
The others haven't JOINED any FCS conferences either and likely won't because of football.

[bleach]

Of four Big East associate members, three of them already have their non-football sports in conferences with FCS football or are considering it.

You said that zero FBS football schools would ever consider it. You are wrong. I don't know how many schools have ever considered it, but I can tell you pretty easily with very little effort to research the issue that Navy, ODU, and ECU have all proven you incorrect.

Once again, None of these schools have JOINED FCS conferences. All would be in FBS conferences if it was an option.
I never said they wouldn't "consider" it. They won't do it though.

[rlh04d]

Tulsa left the MVC specificly to persue FBS football.
Navy isn't JOINING the Patriot league and would leave if they had a better option.
The others haven't JOINED any FCS conferences either and likely won't because of football.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

If the others join an FCS conference it's BECAUSE of football. BECAUSE those conferences do not have FBS football, that allows the teams to stash their other sports there while joining the Big East in football. Joining the Big East is the goal ... but if the Big East only wants their football program, then football is entirely irrelevant to which conference they join for their other sports, as long as it does not have FBS football. At that point, being an FCS football conference (or lacking football entirely) is what those teams are LOOKING for.

There is absolutely no difference between an FCS conference like the MVC or conference lacking football entirely like the A10 in what you're saying. An associate member in football for the Big East would view the MVC and A10 exactly the same, and only view them as to how they best fit basketball primarily, and non-revenue sports secondarily. FCS is irrelevant in terms of BCS conference affiliation IN REGARDS TO football only BCS associate schools in the Big East.

[rlh04d]

Once again, None of these schools have JOINED FCS conferences. All would be in FBS conferences if it was an option.
I never said they wouldn't "consider" it. They won't do it though.

Zero FBS football schools will consider a non FBS conference in basketball.

Emphasis added.

Try again please.

You're being stupid. I'm not disagreeing with you on what the preferred scenario is for any team with FBS football. I'm sure Tulsa and any other school would PREFER to join the Big 10 or the SEC ... but those aren't options for them. I'm disagreeing with you on the fact that any FBS football team that ONLY have the option of joining the Big East as an associate football member would then naturally join another conference for basketball and non-revenue sports. In doing so, whether the conference has FCS football (MVC) or does not have football at all (A10) is irrelevant.

[bleach]

Once again, None of these schools have JOINED FCS conferences. All would be in FBS conferences if it was an option.
I never said they wouldn't "consider" it. They won't do it though.

Zero FBS football schools will consider a non FBS conference in basketball.

Emphasis added.

Try again please.

I stand corrected.
I suppose this will be the new wave in conference realignment now.
Michigan should be on our radar too I guess.

[rlh04d]

I stand corrected.
I suppose this will be the new wave in conference realignment now.
Michigan should be on our radar too I guess.

You're an idiot.

Michigan is not an associate football-only member of an FBS conference.

Any associate football-only member of an FBS conference should be on our radar. All of the teams that fit THOSE CRITERIA would consider joining the MVC. In THAT scenario, the MVC might very well be the best available option, particularly if they are in the MVC's geographic footprint.

[bleach]

I stand corrected.
I suppose this will be the new wave in conference realignment now.
Michigan should be on our radar too I guess.

You're an idiot.

Michigan is not an associate football-only member of an FBS conference.

Any associate football-only member of an FBS conference should be on our radar. All of the teams that fit THOSE CRITERIA would consider joining the MVC. In THAT scenario, the MVC might very well be the best available option, particularly if they are in the MVC's geographic footprint.

Wel, lets go get Navy, ODU, and ECU then. After we get Tulsa of course.