Teddy Hawkins officially to ISU, with an odd exception

[Khan4Cats]

I think it's funny that so many UNI fans have chimed in on this. Coincidence?

well they where demanding their school give Chewey's son a waiver right?

Actually, no. UNI was told by the league office that they (the league office) would not enforce the two year rule on McDermott. We could have held onto the NCAA rule requiring a one-year sit out for transfer, but even that would have been looked on poorly.

That's the reason most UNI fans are upset, the league is just making stuff up as they go. The rule was there, it was ignored, setting a precedent that was followed in the Beane case, and has now been altered yet again. Either there are rules or there are not. That's all.

[uniftw]

I think it's funny that so many UNI fans have chimed in on this. Coincidence?

well they where demanding their school give Chewey's son a waiver right?

Actually, no. UNI was told by the league office that they (the league office) would not enforce the two year rule on McDermott. We could have held onto the NCAA rule requiring a one-year sit out for transfer, but even that would have been looked on poorly.

That's the reason most UNI fans are upset, the league is just making stuff up as they go. The rule was there, it was ignored, setting a precedent that was followed in the Beane case, and has now been altered yet again. Either there are rules or there are not. That's all.

Not only did the MVC office say they wouldn't enforce the sit out rule...they did so before UNI had any comment on the transfer situation.

UNI was f-ed in the a 8 ways to Sunday in that situation.

1. Release the best recruit the program had ever signed (a top 150 recruit) who had all of the potential to be the best player in UNI history coming out of HS like they did to a big conference rival. Not only releasing him, but taking the recruiting set back as there hadn't been much recruiting for post players since he was signed/committed thus setting UNI back a couple years in post depth.

2. Enforce the transfer rule and look like giant dicks for not letting a son play for a dad even though the MVC already said (before they had a chance to comment on it) the rule wouldn't be enforced.


It was a zero win situation for UNI.

I get that the situation is now over and gone...but for fans of other schools not to under stand the "anger" UNI fans have over that situation is just silly.


It's also real funny to see the conference continue to make rules up as it goes on.

[Born2Shock]

Look on the bright side. Its not like Dougie was going to take you to S16...its not really his style

[shocktheheart]

Actually, no. UNI was told by the league office that they (the league office) would not enforce the two year rule on McDermott. We could have held onto the NCAA rule requiring a one-year sit out for transfer, but even that would have been looked on poorly.

That's the reason most UNI fans are upset, the league is just making stuff up as they go. The rule was there, it was ignored, setting a precedent that was followed in the Beane case, and has now been altered yet again. Either there are rules or there are not. That's all.[/quote]
Not only did the MVC office say they wouldn't enforce the sit out rule...they did so before UNI had any comment on the transfer situation.

UNI was f-ed in the a 8 ways to Sunday in that situation.

1. Release the best recruit the program had ever signed (a top 150 recruit) who had all of the potential to be the best player in UNI history coming out of HS like they did to a big conference rival. Not only releasing him, but taking the recruiting set back as there hadn't been much recruiting for post players since he was signed/committed thus setting UNI back a couple years in post depth.

2. Enforce the transfer rule and look like giant dicks for not letting a son play for a dad even though the MVC already said (before they had a chance to comment on it) the rule wouldn't be enforced.


It was a zero win situation for UNI.

I get that the situation is now over and gone...but for fans of other schools not to under stand the "anger" UNI fans have over that situation is just silly.


It's also real funny to see the conference continue to make rules up as it goes on.[/quote]

On what site was Dougie a top 150 recruit?

[agrinut]

Actually, no. UNI was told by the league office that they (the league office) would not enforce the two year rule on McDermott. We could have held onto the NCAA rule requiring a one-year sit out for transfer, but even that would have been looked on poorly.

That's the reason most UNI fans are upset, the league is just making stuff up as they go. The rule was there, it was ignored, setting a precedent that was followed in the Beane case, and has now been altered yet again. Either there are rules or there are not. That's all.

Not only did the MVC office say they wouldn't enforce the sit out rule...they did so before UNI had any comment on the transfer situation.

UNI was f-ed in the a 8 ways to Sunday in that situation.

1. Release the best recruit the program had ever signed (a top 150 recruit) who had all of the potential to be the best player in UNI history coming out of HS like they did to a big conference rival. Not only releasing him, but taking the recruiting set back as there hadn't been much recruiting for post players since he was signed/committed thus setting UNI back a couple years in post depth.

2. Enforce the transfer rule and look like giant dicks for not letting a son play for a dad even though the MVC already said (before they had a chance to comment on it) the rule wouldn't be enforced.


It was a zero win situation for UNI.

I get that the situation is now over and gone...but for fans of other schools not to under stand the "anger" UNI fans have over that situation is just silly.


It's also real funny to see the conference continue to make rules up as it goes on.[/quote]

On what site was Dougie a top 150 recruit?[/quote]



NIU fans get all upset, what they have never fully realized or admitted is that papa McD screwed them. He parked his son there knowing full well that Jacobson doesn't have the stones to stand up for himself or the panthers. That is the end of the story had Jacobson wanted to he could have forced dougie to sit but he didn't, move on panther fans. Another thing, there is no way Doug becomes the player he is now in that offense, his defense would have likely kept him off the court.

[RoyalShock]

Granted, I'm not a UNI or CU fan who would have followed every piece of info out there on the situation, but I don't ever recall hearing that the league office ruled on McDermott's transfer without UNI's involvement. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I'd love to see a source for that.

But for this post I'm going to go with my recollection, that Jacobsen granted the waiver. As much as the Dougie and Deontae stories seem similar, about the only similarity is that they signed an LOI at one MVC school, but went to another.

I also don't recall Dougie being a top-150, or very highly recruited. (Again, I could be wrong if there's evidence to the contrary.) I would wager that Dougie was practically funneled to UNI by his dad and that UNI didn't have to expend much in the way of resources to secure his commitment. Whereas WSU, with no familial connections to Hawkins, would have spent considerable resources on him.

Hawkins' dad is neither a previous WSU coach, nor a current coach at ISU. Furthormore, since his dad is not a current, close friend of Gregg Marshall, and there was very little pressure to grant a waiver. In Dougie's case, what else could Jacobsen really do?

Honestly, I have to believe Jacobsen knew that Greg McD was on thin ice at ISU and that accepting Dougie's commitment came with risk that he would not finish his college career at UNI.

Now, if the league office indeed did not give UNI a say in Dougie's case, then it's probably accurate to believe they acted without WSU or Marshall's input on the Hawkins case.

It sounds more and more like the MVC office either needs to start enforcing the current rules, or change them to match their current philosophy, which is apparently more lenient than the stated rule.

[PantherSigEp]

We can talk about the McDermott situation all we want but it doesn't change anything. I keep coming here in hopes that someone can find another example of this "can't play 'Team X'" rule, I am genuinely curious as to how this idea came to be and if there is some sort of precedent that was used. I don't see why making him lose just 1 year of eligibility and call it good was such a big deal.

Heck, this talk might all be for naught, as the kid still has to survive year 1 of college classes before he can even touch the court. Period. Much less be academically eligible to touch court. Let's reconvene in about 6 months and then have this discussion.

[AngryWheat=FTW=]

Controversy makes for great basketball games. The fuse has been lit. Can't wait to see ILSU and WSU match up in St. Louis. Teddy should have a career game that night, but will it be enough? Probably not.

[rlh04d]

Two schools win. 8 schools and a young man lose.

Let's not get ridiculous here. This kid wasn't going to get a college education without basketball. He wouldn't have learned any life-altering lesson by being forced to sit out for another year. And he probably doesn't have a shot at the NBA. So if the only change here is "gets a college education," he certainly doesn't lose.

Although I'd wonder what kind of education he actually gets with a team clearly desperate for his ability.

[rlh04d]

1. Release the best recruit the program had ever signed (a top 150 recruit) who had all of the potential to be the best player in UNI history coming out of HS like they did to a big conference rival. Not only releasing him, but taking the recruiting set back as there hadn't been much recruiting for post players since he was signed/committed thus setting UNI back a couple years in post depth.

Umm ... I don't know about that.

ESPN: 28th at his position and no national ranking.
Scout: 3*, 35th at his position.
Rivals: 3*, no rankings at all.

I can't find anything else for him. UNI fans have a legit argument about McDermott being forced to sit out, but let's be real here ... he wasn't a big recruit. He wasn't top 150 in the nation, and there was zero reason for anyone to think he was going to be one of the best recruits in UNI history. He was an average recruit who didn't even start for his HS team until his senior year. Don't change history to make it sound like this was a big deal when it happened.