2013-2014 Bracketology thread

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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby m-v-c » February 20th, 2014, 10:31 am

Play Angry wrote:It's a shame, but ISUb's odds at an at-large are slim to none.

They will still only have 1 win against the RPI Top 100 (and zero against the Top 50) if they win out until Sunday in St. Louis. Their RPI would be around 40, but teams with better resumes have been excluded in droves (many without even serious consideration) over the last decade. Southern Miss last year (RPI of 27, 6 top 100 wins), Missouri State in 2011 (swept second place Wichita State, who was also in the top 50), Wichita State in 2011, and the list goes on....and on...and on. No team with just 1 top 100 victory has ever received an at-large bid to the tournament, and it's not about to start with Indiana State.

Two things really screwed ISUb this season. First, Notre Dame sucks and that robbed them of what was supposed to be a resume defining victory. The Irish were meh before Jerian Grant left and have been just plain bad after. Second, losing to Tulsa in Alaska saddled the Sycamores with a second D2 opponent (the committee has frowned on having more than one of these in the past) and cost them the chance to play Harvard, a borderline Top 50 team. The opportunity cost from the choke against the Golden Hurricane was huge.

I am pulling hard for the Trees because it gives WSU the opportunity to load up on Top 50 wins and beef up our resume. They will not, however, be receiving an at-large bid.

ISUb's only real hope at this point is winning St. Louis.


You're probably right, and everything you say makes sense. The numbers aren't there, and it's true, that loss to Tulsa in Alaska was a killer (as was Iowa pulling out of the Alaska Shootout late, cost a lot of teams a quality RPI game they were planning on at least a chance at).

The only thing is, they have to find 68 teams somewhere, and this year especially (at least right now) the candidates are very underwhelming. Seeing teams like Providence, Georgetown, Tennessee, Stanford in the field right now...none of them would've been even very close last year. The committee also did take Middle Tennessee last year with one top 100 win (though that was a top 50 win, plus their non-conference schedule was exceptionally high), there's a slight chance this year they could get in like a Southern Miss-type like you mentioned last year.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby TheAsianSensation » February 20th, 2014, 11:29 pm

Well now we don't have to worry about Duke jumping Wichita in the polls, and perhaps the S-Curve.

No chance Arizona wins at Colorado, I like Duke's chances against Syracuse, so we're now one Marshall Henderson explosion away from Wichita being #1 on the S-Curve, the polls, and everywhere else.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby FearDaTrees » February 21st, 2014, 8:09 am

TheAsianSensation wrote:Well now we don't have to worry about Duke jumping Wichita in the polls, and perhaps the S-Curve.

No chance Arizona wins at Colorado, I like Duke's chances against Syracuse, so we're now one Marshall Henderson explosion away from Wichita being #1 on the S-Curve, the polls, and everywhere else.


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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby TheAsianSensation » February 21st, 2014, 11:02 pm

1 billion Internet dollars say Arizona doesn't win that game. Just speaking from personal bracketology history, every year top seeds drop games like this on the road frequently. Lousy reason, but buttressed by the fact 'Zona's looked marginal lately.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby TheAsianSensation » February 22nd, 2014, 9:14 pm

Someone take a look at the SEC standings for a moment and tell me what the hell I'm supposed to do with that crap.

Everyone wants to criticize Wichita's conference, but my God, do you realize Florida only plays 2 games against solid tournament teams in their conference?
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby rlh04d » February 22nd, 2014, 9:25 pm

TheAsianSensation wrote:Someone take a look at the SEC standings for a moment and tell me what the hell I'm supposed to do with that crap.

Everyone wants to criticize Wichita's conference, but my God, do you realize Florida only plays 2 games against solid tournament teams in their conference?

Absolutely. Florida fans that are attacking WSU's SOS are hilarious, considering that same attack could be used to discredit them from fans of any of the major conferences. The SEC is better than the MVC this year, but they're still behind the Big East, the A10, etc., and only barely ahead of the AAC. And I'd take the field in the AAC over the SEC.

Florida played a strong nonconference schedule, but the SEC is laughable considering the credit they're given over the midmajor conferences.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby pafan » February 22nd, 2014, 9:52 pm

Tonight, the 1 line became
WSU Florida 'Zona Duke

???
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby rlh04d » February 22nd, 2014, 10:13 pm

pafan wrote:Tonight, the 1 line became
WSU Florida 'Zona Duke

???

I would still think Syracuse over Duke.
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby TheAsianSensation » February 22nd, 2014, 10:21 pm

rlh04d wrote:
pafan wrote:Tonight, the 1 line became
WSU Florida 'Zona Duke

???

I would still think Syracuse over Duke.

I agree. They split the season series with Duke and have better overall value.

Florida/Wichita/Syracuse/Arizona
Kansas/Duke/SDSU (pending spot)/Michigan St

You could actually talk me into SDSU at #5 - I had them at #5 entering today. Actually, I had them at #6 and switched them with Kansas because they were next to each other. But now that Duke beat Syracuse, I want to jump Duke ahead of SDSU and now I can't apply the H2H win, so they're 7th now.

And of course they might lose to New Mexico and make this irrelevant :huh:
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Re: 2013-2014 Bracketology thread

Postby rlh04d » February 22nd, 2014, 11:00 pm

TheAsianSensation wrote:And of course they might lose to New Mexico and make this irrelevant :huh:

New Mexico wins by 14.

I think there's a pretty significant gap between the one and two seeds right now, or at least a big gap after Duke/Kansas. I didn't think WSU could get a one seed with a loss, but now I'm not so sure.

Personally, I think Duke or Kansas gets the one seed over Syracuse and possibly Arizona. But we'll see. Arizona impressed me for the first time in a while against Colorado.
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