Loyola Stream??

[Rambler63]

However, for what it's worth, Loyola's league road attendance is 2nd in the MVC behind only WSU and third behind WSU and Bradley in all road games.

And do you realize WHY that is?????

Let me clue you in on it..... it's because Loyola doesn't have a road game with an attendance of 1200 at Loyola dragging down the average.

You can defend arguments being made against joining the league all day, that's fine, but trying to spin the attendance numbers is never going to work out in your favor.

Ha! I knew someone would point to that so I factored it in before I mentioned it. Loyola drew 5111 at UNI, and in their next two home games they had 3910 for SIU and 4941 for MSU. Loyola drew 5825 at Bradley-- more than for Evansville, UNI and Drake. At SIU, 4874 was more than for Bradley, Missouri State, or Indiana State. Loyola was Indiana State's highest conference attendance this year (haven't hosted WSU yet), more than 1000 more than the second highest for any other team, and 2000 more than for Missouri State. At Evansville, Loyola drew more than for Indiana State (nearby), Bradley, Drake, or MSU. The only place Loyola didn't draw well was Missouri State-- last by a margin of less than 100.

As for going into Chicago, Missouri State hasn't played there yet, and even if you subtract all games at Chicago, Loyola has still drawn 441 more per game than ranked UNI because UNI hasn't played WSU yet. Conversely, Loyola hasn't played at ISUr (above average attendance for the league) or at Drake on what will be a big matchup to avoid Thursday on Drake's senior night. Evansville, Bradley, Drake, Missouri State and Indiana State are also below Loyola when plucking out attendance in Chicago.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Except that you aren't using raw attendance numbers. 98% of a small number is still a small number.

Are you suggesting we go back to the Dome?

Nope. Just suggesting that attendance contests are probably not ones UNI fans should be thumping their chests about. That's all.

I don't think I was thumping my chest. I was simply explaining we do not have as terrible as someone had made it seem. I do think that % of attendance is important. You can only fit as many people as the stadium will hold (or fire marshal will allow). I mean Duke averages 9314 for attendance. Minnesota on the other hand averages 11255. However, Duke is at 100% of capacity on average. Minnesota is only at 77%. Are you saying attendance is better at Minnesota simply because they have a bigger stadium? Raw numbers only give you part of the data. There are probably other examples of the stadium thing, but that one should give a little bit of the picture.

[rlh04d]

IMO, this is what the rest of the Valley would be drawing with a Top 20 ranking, and the season you are having. I will leave Wichita out because we know what they are doing with it.

More than what we would be doing with that resume, WSU's worst attendance mark in 40+ years I believe is ~7k, in the darkest of the dark 90s years.

[Wufan]

IMO, this is what the rest of the Valley would be drawing with a Top 20 ranking, and the season you are having. I will leave Wichita out because we know what they are doing with it.

More than what we would be doing with that resume, WSU's worst attendance mark in 40+ years I believe is ~7k, in the darkest of the dark 90s years.

Unfortunately, no. We averaged ~ 4500 one year. Second worst was ~ 5500. I'm taking this off memory, so I could be wrong.

[sixth ace]

WOW ....7 pages about a stream for a UNI/ LUC game and WSU controlles the conversation

[AndShock]

IMO, this is what the rest of the Valley would be drawing with a Top 20 ranking, and the season you are having. I will leave Wichita out because we know what they are doing with it.

More than what we would be doing with that resume, WSU's worst attendance mark in 40+ years I believe is ~7k, in the darkest of the dark 90s years.

Unfortunately, no. We averaged ~ 4500 one year. Second worst was ~ 5500. I'm taking this off memory, so I could be wrong.

I just typed a few random years and the lowest number I could find was 6k, I didn't want to take the time to go through every dark year, so there definitely could be a few years lower than the 6k that I found.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketb ... d/1994.pdf

Just replace the "1994" with whatever year you want to look at.

I think the most depressing thing is seeing Evansville with 11k+. This was before my time and I know Evansville used to draw really well but it's still hard to fathom just how far they've fallen.

[Wufan]

1996 was 5528

[PantherSigEp]

Oh now Evansville needs to be a "Resounding Success" in your eyes. First it was "what do they bring?", so
I responded with an example of handing you a loss, which apparently was a good deal for you.
It is a good thing Evansville doesn't need your permission to be in the league.
Good Grief, Jake may be the best coach in the league, but stay in your lane man; UNI gambled on Jake to begin with because they had no history and rarely any fans (that still may be true).
Just thank your lucky stars that you lucked into a great coach, and keep
Your mouth shut so you can hide the fact that you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure where this came from. The original point was that it's silly to rag on Loyola for not performing well due to adversity (they're easily 3rd if Doyle is 100% this season) when other programs like Evansville, MSU and SIU (we talk PLENTY about Bradley already so I'm not piling it on here) continuously under-perform due to their own mistakes (bad coach, players leaving, etc...). You saying that Evanville managed to play a decent game in the beginning of the season doesn't mean they have truly done much in recent seasons and it doesn't mean that they've fulfilled our expectations of them. Remember that Marty is still at the helm. As long as that is the case we won't see them achieve the results we want from them. Plenty of your own fans have alluded to waning support.

And if you want to believe that a successful program, promoting a high quality assistant coach, is a "gamble" then that's your opinion. It's fairly common in non-P5 conferences to promote an assistant rather than gut the staff with an outsider when the recent trend has been that you're winning. The gambles occur when you don't have a Jacobson to turn to. Is it always successful? Heck no, but don't piss and moan at UNI because it did. We have plenty of flaws as a program and fan base but our program has managed to bring plenty of success and exposure to the MVC recently and it hurts us to not see other programs make similar commitments to being successful. Evansville is far from the worst case currently but lets not act like it's unfair of me to call them out some as being a regular under-performer recently.

I'm not saying Evansville should be forced out of the league or anything extreme like that. Just drawing attention to the fact that Loyola doesn't deserve the criticism it has received (beyond fan support) simply because they aren't setting the world on fire at the moment.

[Ricardo del Rio]

WOW ....7 pages about a stream for a UNI/ LUC game and WSU controlles the conversation

Wow! Someone, who has nothing to say, goes out of his or her way to rag on the Shockers.

[rlh04d]

1996 was 5528

You're right. I had remembered 96 as being around 6600 instead of 5500 for some reason.

Even that mark would have ranked fourth in the Valley last year, 1100 behind Bradley and ~450 behind Indiana State.