Saturday 2/13 Games

[bigdawg]

Team A has more "good wins" and fewer "bad" losses. RPI has been proven very imprecise so I'll take A.

[BirdsEyeView]

Sure go ahead and redirect your crappy play on the valley and the conference you play in. If you were so superior to this league 21-0 should be a guarantee, especially with two AA.

Teams have bad games ... we have had a couple. We should be able to go 16-2 in conference and still get in .. but we can't. The MVC provides WSU with 18 possible bad losses and ZERO possible quality wins ... THATS on the conference.

I know what you are saying, except we DON'T CARE. You should be looking in the mirror on those two losses. ISUr and UNI both had terrible offensive games and won. UNI got outrebounded and only scored 15 points in the 2nd half....and won.

Is that a sign of a great team, ready to move up in conferences???

Your hero FVV has been complete s&%# in those losses
Your other hero Baker has been complete s&%# in those losses.

It's a prelude to next year without them....and it doesn't look good.

Again, look internally and stop blaming the conference. You should go 21-0 with those two guys...ask questions about them? Ask Marshall why he would let the game clock go under 10 seconds before getting the ball back? Why not extend the game by fouling down 3 with 40 seconds left?

You may still win out and the conference tournament, but you have to be nervous for your future team in 2016-2017 within THIS conference.

[Stickboy46]

I'm just looking at their resume compared to other bubble teams. Blame the conference all you want. I'm just stating the facts here.

Zero quality win opportunities, 18 possible bad loss opportunities.

Keep blaming others for your own problems.

Well, since one of WSUs biggest problems is lack of quality wins, and 2/3rds of their schedule is made up of teams that can only be bad loss, it's not just WSUs problem. The MVC provides NO chances for good wins. Anything less than undefeated is seen as a sign of weakness. 2 poor shooting games and WSU now has to be near flawless the rest of the year. I'm just stating facts when I say that the MVC is a primary "problem" of WSU. That's why they are looking to get out ASAP.

[Stickboy46]

Sure go ahead and redirect your crappy play on the valley and the conference you play in. If you were so superior to this league 21-0 should be a guarantee, especially with two AA.

Teams have bad games ... we have had a couple. We should be able to go 16-2 in conference and still get in .. but we can't. The MVC provides WSU with 18 possible bad losses and ZERO possible quality wins ... THATS on the conference.

I know what you are saying, except we DON'T CARE. You should be looking in the mirror on those two losses. ISUr and UNI both had terrible offensive games and won. UNI got outrebounded and only scored 15 points in the 2nd half....and won.

Is that a sign of a great team, ready to move up in conferences???

Your hero FVV has been complete s&%# in those losses
Your other hero Baker has been complete s&%# in those losses.

It's a prelude to next year without them....and it doesn't look good.

Again, look internally and stop blaming the conference. You should go 21-0 with those two guys...ask questions about them? Ask Marshall why he would let the game clock go under 10 seconds before getting the ball back? Why not extend the game by fouling down 3 with 40 seconds left?

You may still win out and the conference tournament, but you have to be nervous for your future team in 2016-2017 within THIS conference.

That's the MVC mentality right there. We don't care that we suck.

Also, no I'm not nervous about next year.. Because of that exact mentality. The rest of the conference is ok with being mediocre. WSU isn't and will still be the most talented team.

[James__SIU]

SIU beat Drake 75-60. Not that any other valley game really matters today after what the panthers pulled off earlier today...the one thing I'll say about the Salukis win is it is the best execution of a coaches game plan I've seen all year for SIU. Wouldn't let Drake get an uncontested 3. The Drake bigs had good games and the backdoor play was there quite a few times but they shot 7% from 3 and Timmer was shut down. I think that is pretty good considering Drake was the best 3 shooting team in the valley going into today.

[Valley_Fan]

Blind Resume:
Team A Team B
Record 16-9 17-7
SOS 95 93
Top 100 Wins 4 3
Losses to +100 teams 1 2
Wins over +100 Teams 12 14
RPI 88 53

Everything there is super similar except the 35 point RPI advantage. I think I have to lean team B on that one due to that advantage.

Would be interested in seeing top 50 wins for both teams. Top 100 wins aren't really marquee wins.

Team A has 2, Team B has 1

[James__SIU]

We care that we suck. We just don't care that it hurts WSU. Donate more money and maybe influence the move to a better conference or just put up with the fact that the Valley is your collective doormat. Win games you should and schedule a strong non-con and you should be fine in the Valley. Even if WSU is a "bubble" team right now their odds of winning the Valley Tournament is still really good.

[bigdawg]

We care that we suck. We just don't care that it hurts WSU. Donate more money and maybe influence the move to a better conference or just put up with the fact that the Valley is your collective doormat. Win games you should and schedule a strong non-con and you should be fine in the Valley. Even if WSU is a "bubble" team right now their odds of winning the Valley Tournament is still really good.

And for what it's worth, people have said Wichita St could become the Gonzaga of the Midwest playing in a conference they dominate. Gonzaga is on the wrong side of the bubble now too so maybe they were prophetic.

[Stickboy46]

We care that we suck. We just don't care that it hurts WSU. Donate more money and maybe influence the move to a better conference or just put up with the fact that the Valley is your collective doormat. Win games you should and schedule a strong non-con and you should be fine in the Valley. Even if WSU is a "bubble" team right now their odds of winning the Valley Tournament is still really good.

You just named the advice that ALL valley teams need to take.

Fyi we did schedule up.. Top 10 non con SOS. We just happened to be missing 3 or 4 rotation players in all the key games. Still the only bad losses WSU has are from the MVC.

[bigdawg]

We care that we suck. We just don't care that it hurts WSU. Donate more money and maybe influence the move to a better conference or just put up with the fact that the Valley is your collective doormat. Win games you should and schedule a strong non-con and you should be fine in the Valley. Even if WSU is a "bubble" team right now their odds of winning the Valley Tournament is still really good.

You just named the advice that ALL valley teams need to take.

Fyi we did schedule up.. Top 10 non con SOS. We just happened to be missing 3 or 4 rotation players in all the key games. Still the only bad losses WSU has are from the MVC.

WSU lost to Tulsa and Seton Hall with FVV. Now those are decent teams and not pushovers but when your resume has 3 top 100 wins and they are Utah and UE twice, you're in trouble.